Obamacare's effect on Teamsters 2013 contract

[Dracula]

Are you guys still feeding the troll?

 

[Bagels]

hall has already conceded the company's point about the additional money they will be paying for healthcare in his March 8th letter. Healthcare has been an issue at negotiations for decades and for decades Teamsters have bargained great insurance. what's different is that now under Obamacare, UPS is being penalized for it.

You have no evidence to support that assertion. Unlike last contract, this contract we're faced with the reality that FedEx Ground's significantly cheaper labor costs are fueling its growth.

deluting the definition of socialism to fit your argument isn't going to win many converts especially when the real world consequences of that failed ideology mean taking concessions in this contract and losing thegreat healthcare the Teamsters have fought for and enjoyed for decades. Tell us the truth are you, like Obama, in favor of nationalized healthcare?

LOL. Again, zero evidence. Again, because you don't like facts doesn't make them untrue.

 

[Anonymous 10]

hall has already conceded the company's point about the additional money they will be paying for healthcare in his March 8th letter. Healthcare has been an issue at negotiations for decades and for decades Teamsters have bargained great insurance. what's different is that now under Obamacare, UPS is being penalized for it.

No he hasent. Go be a scab somewhere else. You aren't helping us here with your rhetoric. You probably support TDU.

 

[Atomic_Smurf]

No he hasent. Go be a scab somewhere else. You aren't helping us here with your rhetoric. You probably support TDU.

http://www.teamster.org/sites/teamst...ionsUpdate.pdf Third paragraph. Can't wait to see what Hall means by "creative solutions to the problem".

 

[Atomic_Smurf]

You have no evidence to support that assertion. Unlike last contract, this contract we're faced with the reality that FedEx Ground's significantly cheaper labor costs are fueling its growth.



LOL. Again, zero evidence. Again, because you don't like facts doesn't make them untrue.

I posted the letter for your reading pleasure. Hall mentions the companies increased health care costs but says nothing about FedEx screwing up our contract. And, I asked you a very simple question. Are you, like Obama, in favor of nationalized health care???

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

http://www.teamster.org/sites/teamst...ionsUpdate.pdf Third paragraph. Can't wait to see what Hall means by "creative solutions to the problem".

This has already been discussed---his "creative solution" is for the Union to take over our healthcare.

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

I posted the letter for your reading pleasure. Hall mentions the companies increased health care costs but says nothing about FedEx screwing up our contract. And, I asked you a very simple question. Are you, like Obama, in favor of nationalized health care???

The part about FedEx Ground screwing up our contract will come to play when they start discussing the financials.

 

[bbsam]

The part about FedEx Ground screwing up our contract will come to play when they start discussing the financials.

Screwing up your contract? Didn't your company make a profit of $4 billion last year? Doesn't sound like there is a problem...unless the Teamsters don't have the nerve to buck public sentiment and go on strike.

 

[Atomic_Smurf]

This has already been discussed---his "creative solution" is for the Union to take over our healthcare.

Thats one creative solution on the table. I wonder where hall would find the $6.1 billion to pay for it...

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

Thats one creative solution on the table. I wonder where hall would find the $6.1 billion to pay for it...

UPS would pay the Union what it currently spends on healthcare. The Union would then administer the healthcare for the members, who would most likely be asked to pay for any shortfall.

$6.1B---isn't that what UPS paid to bail out of Central States?

 

[Atomic_Smurf]

Screwing up your contract? Didn't your company make a profit of $4 billion last year? Doesn't sound like there is a problem...unless the Teamsters don't have the nerve to buck public sentiment and go on strike.

Ya, they made alot of money. Unfortunately much of that profit is going to be diverted away from hard working union families to fund a new entitlement in Washington.

 

[Atomic_Smurf]

UPS would pay the Union what it currently spends on healthcare. The Union would then administer the healthcare for the members, who would most likely be asked to pay for any shortfall.

$6.1B---isn't that what UPS paid to bail out of Central States?

...the members would pay for any shortfall? That sounds like a sweeeeet deal.

 

[rudy5150]

the union would then make its members have 10 or 20 dollar co pays

 

[Bagels]

I posted the letter for your reading pleasure. Hall mentions the companies increased health care costs but says nothing about FedEx screwing up our contract. And, I asked you a very simple question. Are you, like Obama, in favor of nationalized health care???

Try again.

He was very clear in the conference call that the central woe regarding health care was GAAP issues concerning carried liabilities for retirees huge impending retirements make this critical now) -- and he was clear and reiterated that these GAAP issues are long-standing and not a result of ObamaCare. Nor has he discussed why the company was low balling us on wage, health & welfare increases -- any idiot (well, apparently not all) can recognize the impact of UPS's high labor costs -- e.g. stagnant growth vs. enormous growth at our competitors [this doesn't mean that I feel we shouldn't be rewarded for our record performances.]

Sorry you don't believe in facts .

 

[balland chain]

in the central states plan we already have 20 $ copays, then it is 80/20.. That is if they are going to cover it.. That is the biggest problem, getting Central states to actually cover a bill or prescription.. I personally am sick of filing appeal after appeal to try to get them to pay. Turns out, they won't !! bottom line, they SUCK!

 

[Atomic_Smurf]

Try again.

He was very clear in the conference call that the ncentral woe regarding health care was GAAP issues concerning carried liabilities for retirees huge impending retirements make this critical now) -- and he was clear and reiterated that these GAAP issues are long-standing and not a result of ObamaCare. Nor has he discussed why the company was low balling us on wage, health & welfare increases -- any idiot (well, apparently not all) can recognize the impact of UPS's high labor costs -- e.g. stagnant growth vs. enormous growth at our competitors [this doesn't mean that I feel we shouldn't be rewarded for our record performances.]

Sorry you don't believe in facts .

Next he'll be blaming it on a spontaneous reaction to a YouTube video. Sounds like damage control to me. Hall & Hoffa may be hoping everyone forgets about the whole "Teamsters for Obama" thing before this contract is presented.

 

[Bagels]

Next he'll be blaming it on a spontaneous reaction to a YouTube video. Sounds like damage control to me. Hall & Hoffa may be hoping everyone forgets about the whole "Teamsters for Obama" thing before this contract is presented.

LOL!!!

Spontaneous reaction to a YouTube video? Kinda like somebody who's persuaded by a 2-minute YouTube video consisting of nearly a dozen short clips, from a broad period of time, sewen together out of order... and then insists Obama had the REAL video completely scrubbed from the face of the Earth . Hey, did you see Obama singing Call Me Maybe on YouTube?

DENY, DENY, DENY!!!

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[upnorth]

The people who are healthy dont understand that those who need medical help are largely screwed by every decision opted to them. It needs reform. no question. The obama plan just makes healthcare available to those who need it at cost to those who abuse it. Im guessing since you are on this post you have pretty good insurance, big arrow up, and unfortunately the government is the one taking control...because they are the only ones big enough to put it in check. Not gonna be pretty for about 10 years but its better than 30-40% increases per year that only trickle down to us if we know how to wax boats and mow golf courses---oh yeah and thats in between changing diapers on our special needs and autistic children and bill payments to multi million dollar corps that only charge higher and higher fees to process your payments. The capitalist bubble burst on everything except healthcare. It failed. We have to accept government intradiction with our tail between our legs because there also has to be a balance between profit and regulation. Is there such a thing as a balanced politician? I wish us all luck.

 

[Atomic_Smurf]

Blaming FOX News for not adoring and worshiping our president is like the football player who bad mouths the only cheerleader that won't sleep with him. Your ignorance is Obama's power.

 

[k78333]

Do you have any evidence to support that ObamaCare is the reason UPS is asking its rank-and-file to pay toward their heath care? Consider: - Nationally, on average, health care premiums have soared over the past 30 years; since 2001, they have nearly doubled. - UPS's work force, both management and hourly, is rapidly aging. - FedEx Ground, UPS's largest competitor, pays NOTHING toward health care for its workforce. FedEx Ground's volume continues to rapidly grow while UPS's is more-or-less stagnant. - UPS is a publicly traded company that has to respond to its shareholders. The reality is that even without ObamaCare, UPS would still be asking us to pay toward health care. Don't like it? Stop voting, for example, for right-wing politicians who rule that FedEx Ground's business practices are legal.