Only 5% of next car purchasers expect to buy all electric cars-Road and Track.

[quad decade guy]

Do you know what the word schedule means?

Do you know what the word unscheduled means? Breakdown? Failure? How about stuff happens?

 

[vantexan]

the US economy is worse for workers now than it was decades ago.

its a high cost high debt economy.

The fact remains it took workers much longer to have the money necessary to buy things like washing machines decades ago. Free markets are much more efficient. However that being said many companies cut corners to maximize profit so if you want quality you have to pay more. But look at electronics, especially tv's. Prices tend to come way down and the quality, due to competition, is better than ever. A $500 tv today is as good as a $3000 tv was a decade ago.

 

[quad decade guy]

It's not my opinion. You can avoid a mechanic for years and have a very low probability of any drama with an EV. The scheduled maintenance list is almost nothing.

Neglect an ice car and it dies fast.

These are not opinions.

Yes, they are.

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

The fact remains it took workers much longer to have the money necessary to buy things like washing machines decades ago. Free markets are much more efficient. However that being said many companies cut corners to maximize profit so if you want quality you have to pay more. But look at electronics, especially tv's. Prices tend to come way down and the quality, due to competition, is better than ever. A $500 tv today is as good as a $3000 tv was a decade ago.

Planned obsolescence.

 

[wilberforce15]

EVs would not work in @What'dyabringmetoday???'s part of the world.

EVs work in every part of the world. They just don't fit every need in every part of the world, currently. I have no idea where dude is from.

But EVs naturally have lower centers of gravity than any ICE can achieve, suit themselves naturally to 4wd systems, and have a lot of built in advantages.

But if someone wants to brag about long distance heavy hauling in frozen wastelands or something, I'll gladly admit EVs do not fit the bill.

 

[rickyb]

Then start one and make money and live a good life.

if capitalism and slavery were happening at the same time, i and i preferred one and i thought the other was immoral, i would rebel to end the immoral one.

besides these disgusting freaks capitalists have a way of infecting every aspect of my life like the matrix, for example wall st and private banks

 

[vantexan]

Planned obsolescence.

Which was definitely the case when GM and Ford built cars that fell apart around 100,000 miles. The Japanese ate our lunch with better quality. That's one of the foundations of a free market economy: competition is good for the consumer. Competition gave us better tv's, better phones, etc at lower prices. Socialism removes the incentives to compete. That's a major reason it always fails. People like @rickyb can't stand that some do really well under capitalism. They don't have the wherewithal to compete and are envious of the material success. Much of the strife in the world is based on envy and resentment. If people could manage to be happy within their means there would be a lot less strife. But many never are happy with what they have.

 

[rickyb]

The fact remains it took workers much longer to have the money necessary to buy things like washing machines decades ago. Free markets are much more efficient. However that being said many companies cut corners to maximize profit so if you want quality you have to pay more. But look at electronics, especially tv's. Prices tend to come way down and the quality, due to competition, is better than ever. A $500 tv today is as good as a $3000 tv was a decade ago.

youre probably right that its cheaper relative to incomes. or maybe the corporations just pocketed the savings for themselves on third world labour. im skeptical about there being competition in this day and age.

also if cost of housing relative to income has gone way up, and college, and healthcare, and unionization is way down, are we farther ahead as a whole? no. but you may be right about the first point that tvs are cheaper.

by shipping things around the world and all the pollution thats incurred, i sense this is not what we are supposed to be doing. its just another market externality.

i want a television thats upgradable and fixable.

 

[wilberforce15]

They don't work in the cold. That's why the highest EV ownership rates look like this.

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

EVs work in every part of the world. They just don't fit every need in every part of the world, currently. I have no idea where dude is from.

But EVs naturally have lower centers of gravity than any ICE can achieve, suit themselves naturally to 4wd systems, and have a lot of built in advantages.

But if someone wants to brag about long distance heavy hauling in frozen wastelands or something, I'll gladly admit EVs do not fit the bill.

Let me clarify------EVs would not be a logical choice for his part of the world (Upstate NY). The only city in the area has fewer than 30 chargers, including the 6 Tesla chargers at the mall. Most of them are on the college campus while there are some at the local hotels and certain car dealers. If you don't have the ability to install a home charging system you are pretty much out of luck.

 

[wilberforce15]

Let me clarify------EVs would not be a logical choice for his part of the world (Upstate NY). The only city in the area has fewer than 30 chargers, including the 6 Tesla chargers at the mall. Most of them are on the college campus while there are some at the local hotels and certain car dealers. If you don't have the ability to install a home charging system you are pretty much out of luck.

Yes, people without home charging generally shouldn't buy EVs unless their city is very well set up for it.

Most of America can charge at home.

 

[rickyb]

Which was definitely the case when GM and Ford built cars that fell apart around 100,000 miles. The Japanese ate our lunch with better quality. That's one of the foundations of a free market economy: competition is good for the consumer. Competition gave us better tv's, better phones, etc at lower prices. Socialism removes the incentives to compete. That's a major reason it always fails. People like @rickyb can't stand that some do really well under capitalism. They don't have the wherewithal to compete and are envious of the material success. Much of the strife in the world is based on envy and resentment. If people could manage to be happy within their means there would be a lot less strife. But many never are happy with what they have.

the struggle for justice never ends.

i dont sound happy to you?

“While there is a lower class, I am in it, while there is a criminal element, I am of it, and while there is a soul in prison, I am not free.”

― Eugene V. Debs

 

[vantexan]

if capitalism and slavery were happening at the same time, i and i preferred one and i thought the other was immoral, i would rebel to end the immoral one.

besides these disgusting freaks capitalists have a way of infecting every aspect of my life like the matrix, for example wall st and private banks

You view those people from afar and are envious of them. If you want to talk about how people start wars to make money I'm all ears. If you want to rage against people making financial deals, a necessary component of capitalism, and are making big money doing so, take it elsewhere. Capitalism makes housing affordable for those who work. It puts food on the table and clothes on your back. And companies competing gives you more choice at better prices. But you've got to be willing to work. Strive more if you want more. Be happy with what you have if you don't want to work.

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

Yes, people without home charging generally shouldn't buy EVs unless their city is very well set up for it.

Most of America can charge at home.

Hyundai includes a Level 1 charging system, which is basically an extension cord, with every new EV that they sell. The dealer told me to only use it in an emergency as it would take up to 50 hours for a full charge.

 

[rickyb]

You view those people from afar and are envious of them. If you want to talk about how people start wars to make money I'm all ears. If you want to rage against people making financial deals, a necessary component of capitalism, and are making big money doing so, take it elsewhere. Capitalism makes housing affordable for those who work. It puts food on the table and clothes on your back. And companies competing gives you more choice a better prices. But you've got to be willing to work. Strive more if you want more. Be happy with what you have if you don't want to work.

housing is not affordable here anymore, its all the banks and govts fault, and people work.

im wiling to put in work for the revolution in addition to my healthcare work. if i and we dont succeed, its going to be barbarism.

 

[rickyb]

You view those people from afar and are envious of them. If you want to talk about how people start wars to make money I'm all ears. If you want to rage against people making financial deals, a necessary component of capitalism, and are making big money doing so, take it elsewhere. Capitalism makes housing affordable for those who work. It puts food on the table and clothes on your back. And companies competing gives you more choice at better prices. But you've got to be willing to work. Strive more if you want more. Be happy with what you have if you don't want to work.

i dont want to be a greedy pig like the "people from afar"

 

[wilberforce15]

Hyundai includes a Level 1 charging system, which is basically an extension cord, with every new EV that they sell. The dealer told me to only use it in an emergency as it would take up to 50 hours for a full charge.

Nobody needs a full charge every day. The average American drives 30 miles a day as a year round average, or less.

A 110v outlet provides 3 miles of charge per hour, give or take.

That means a standard overnight charge from a 110v outlet can meet the average daily need.

And just about everybody has a dryer outlet anyway. That gets rid of the problem completely.

 

[vantexan]

the struggle for justice never ends.

i dont sound happy to you?

“While there is a lower class, I am in it, while there is a criminal element, I am of it, and while there is a soul in prison, I am not free.”

― Eugene V. Debs

No, you sound angry and envious of the rich.

 

[vantexan]

Nobody needs a full charge every day. The average American drives 30 miles a day as a year round average, or less.

A 110v outlet provides 3 miles of charge per hour, give or take.

That means a standard overnight charge from a 110v outlet can meet the average daily need.

And just about everybody has a dryer outlet anyway. That gets rid of the problem completely.

In a private home. What about apartment dwellers?

 

[rickyb]

No, you sound angry and envious of the rich.

righteous anger. like jesus. we dont want to be them, theyre going to have a hard time in the after life.