Discussion in 'UPS Discussions' started by AmYisroelChai, Aug 24, 2007.
Opportunity and Diversity at UPS
White men are the minority now.
We will be, some day. My youngest son started college last week, and got a HOPE Scholarship, which paid for his in-state tuition and some books. But if he was a minority, illegal alien, or gay, he could qualify for more grants. He didn't qualify for any academic scholarships, because I made two thousand bucks too much last year. His HS Test scores were so high, he finished six out of four hundred in his graduating class, earning a Presidential Award of Acheivement. The fact that he doesn't qualify for Academic Awards when people doing less and getting them just burns me up.
Well, Scratch, you are obviously an intolerant gay hater, who also dislikes minorities.
No, I don't hate minorities. I just think that people should be judged on their abilities, not their gender, national origin, or sexual preference. Discrimination to "fix" discrimination just doesn't fly with me.
So are you mad the minorities and "people doing less" or are you mad at those who are giving minorities and "people doing less" the opportunity??
Why doesn't my son get the "same opportunity"? I think everybody should be judged the same, what in the world is wrong with that?
Nothing is wrong with you wanting the best for your kids. I agree with you 100%. But you mentioned you were burned about the whole situation so I was wondering who are you focusing your anger on? I myself would quesiton those in charge.
Unfortunately, I don't get to raise hell at people who make these decisions. When I was in my son's shoes thirty years ago, I was discriminated against because I am a white male. I went on several job interviews and was told point blank that due to diversity, I wouldn't get the job I was applying for. These were government and union jobs.
JMO on the Opportunity and Diversity issue. You can't complain about the lack of it for your certain race, religion or color, than jump on the programs that help you out because you are a certain race, religion or color. I'm sick of people trying to have it both ways.
AND NO I'M NOT A RACIST. I like people for who they are. I am considered white, and believe me, I hate a lot more white people than any other race.
"I just think that people should be judged on their abilities, not their gender, national origin, or sexual preference."
I agree completely! But if we white men complain about these "programs", we get labeled gay hatin' homophobes.
The world in decay.
I am hoping that there is such thing as reincarnation. If so, I want to return as an Asian-female, physically disabled person, who happens to be gay.
Affirmative Action, diversity, Equal Opportunity, etc., are just code words for pandering to the minority and/or less deserving. In the end there are one of two, or both, results when these terms are applied. 1) A more deserving person is left out. 2) Someone is descriminated against because they are part of the "majority." The only fair way to chose who gets what is to take the question that asks what race someone is off the applications. This might even work for job applicants but in most cases it makes since for the employer to meet the person before making the final decision. As far as college applications and grant money goes.....leave race out of it. If we are all supposed to be equal than no race should have preferential treatment over another because if we are all equal than the special treatment shouldn't be needed. It's frustrating to work hard at something only to watch someone less deserving get it. It's almost like excelling is wrong in this country. It's better to be average, or less, otherwise you'll get passed over for someone else in the name of diversity or equal opportunity. It's rediculous.
Scratch, congrat on your son doing so well. That is wonderful.
And if you're not already, surf the net for financial help until your fingers fall off on the state and federal levels. There's a lot of help out there, but it's not well broadcasted.
BAU & Scratch.....Bingo!! There is penalty for doing well !! I used to apply it to people who worked really hard and made good bucks and got penalized by higher taxes and double taxes.
Scratch, that's the kind of denial of perks regarding our college students that I was trying to explain earlier in another thread.
There is one perk that both my sons got when they started college. They are both Eagle Scouts with Gold Palms. They both applied for part time jobs at school and were hired on the spot when they mentioned that. My first son got a job in the Computer Lab and now works in the TV Station directing and editing video. My youngest just got hired to work in the Library and has to escort Coeds back to the Dorm if asked. Yes, I'm bragging on them, they are great kids and my wife and I are now experiencing the "Empty Nest" syndrome.
Scratch....I guess you already know how lucky you are with your sons. It means you did a great job.
I'm an Eagle Scout myself and, whether good or bad, it secured my hiring over 3 others when I applied 22 years ago next month. While I've had my doubts about UPS, getting my Eagle Scout award is something I will always be proud of!
A study was done some time ago which showed that increasing minorities in law schools has resulted in fewer minority lawyers. It seems that many were not really prepared for the university regimen and dropped out. Giving someone a leg up is only helpful if they are truly qualified and capable of persuing that field.
You should be proud of that. I am about to go into semi-retirement as a Scout leader, I am fixing to quit my son's Troop and step down as an Eagle Scout Coach. I have had the great pleasure to work with some boys who have turned out to be fine, young men. I still will do work with the Atl. Area Council BSA, I am a Project COPE Program Director at their Scout Reservations. I run a ropes course where we teach team building, trust, communication, and leadership skills. I also teach Rock Climbing. I have probably got as much or more out of the scouting program as they have.
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