The OT procedure is to start at the top of the senioriy list each day so the high seniority people have first choice. I recall that in the past and to enable everyone to have a chance the OT would start on a monday and once enough people got it the next day the list started where the previous days ended....That way lower seniority people got a chance at OT.....This was a teamster idea and worked quite well and highlighted the concept of the brotherhood....Somehow this view changed to .hooray for me and not you....It would be great to see some fair thinking and revert back to the roots.
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OrionIsDaddy
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Seniority is the fairest way. Go by seniority so there is 'no' chance at favoritism.
Seniority gives you the right to extra work on your regularly scheduled workdays.
You'll be at the top someday
Seniority gives you the right to extra work on your regularly scheduled workdays.
You'll be at the top someday
542thruNthru
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burrheadd
KING Of GIFS
No worries shorty stick around you’ll have some seniority someday
Integrity
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Either way is seniority. My Father’s Trade Union used the rotational list method. All overtime went through the list by Seniority when the list was completed it went back to the top. This clearly is offering OT In Seniority order.
My experience in UPS is that the Senior guy gets offered all the overtime each day and then whatever he doesn’t want it then goes to the next senior member, and so on if needed.
If there is overtime available the next day the Senior guy is again offered it and whatever he doesn’t want it again goes to the next Senior guy and so on.
I enjoy the benefits of the second method being most Senior man for quite some time however IMO the first method is a more true respecter of seniority rights.
Oh well.
BigUnionGuy
Got the T-Shirt
Brown287
Im not the Mail Man!
The company tried offering RTO’s on a rotating seniority method. I stopped it day 1, article 3 section 11 in our NorCal supplement states all that is necessary in regards to seniority. “The company recognizes that the principles of seniority will be given prime consideration in the everyday operation of the business”.
Peoples hurt feelings is just a consequence but by no means is a valid reason to operate outside the contract.
Peoples hurt feelings is just a consequence but by no means is a valid reason to operate outside the contract.
542thruNthru
Well-Known Member
Same language here. I filed the same thing last year. They were trying to send the people that don't know routes home.
Not on my watch!!
Integrity
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My problem with this interpretation is that it appears to give me, the most senior guy in my area, all the rights each day. Don’t get me wrong it gives me a great advantage over my entire work group, even those with only a little less time than me.
It is my opinion that each member has seniority rights in accordance with time and offering OT using a rotational method honors everyone’s precious seniority not just the top guys.
Oh well.
That's why it's called seniority, we all had to go through it. Just like picking vacations. Everyone has to put their time in.
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Tired hubrat
Remember-6th day punchers have NO senority
Brown287
Im not the Mail Man!
It’s not so much what we may or may not think or believe individually, but what the contract states.
I don’t agree with everything in the contract but I still argue for its acknowledgement and Implementation everyday.
Seniority is awful till you have it... Lol.
zubenelgenubi
I'm a star
Seniority gives you the right to work, not the right to not work. Lol.
OT is a different issue than "extra work". Extra work is offered on seniority basis. OT is assigned on an @Operational needs basis, but if a higher seniority person who wants OT and is not getting as much as a lower seniority person, I think they have a basis to grieve being passed up for OT.
OT is a different issue than "extra work". Extra work is offered on seniority basis. OT is assigned on an @Operational needs basis, but if a higher seniority person who wants OT and is not getting as much as a lower seniority person, I think they have a basis to grieve being passed up for OT.
Integrity
Binge Poster
I get it. I have no problem with ruling the roost in my remaining days.
Just saying other Unions do handle seniority differently and that’s ok too.
Integrity
Binge Poster
True so true. I benefit greatly from it and I will grieve it if my seniority is violated even if it were my decision I would handle seniority differently.
It is not up to me so I certainly live with it,
I had a new division manager with a brainstorm.Same language here. I filed the same thing last year. They were trying to send the people that don't know routes home.
Not on my watch!!
Frustrated by Feeder drivers not having available hours for weekend work, he thought up a brilliant scheme of taking away scheduled pickups from bid feeder work, then sending a few dozen drivers home while giving the work to unassigned drivers.
Apparently he didn't read our rider.
After telling him his plan had flaws, I then spoke to every other division manager in the building trying to stop the evil madness.
Anyway after filing about 20 grievances the next day, the new guy came to his senses, and followed the contract.
The Labor Manager paid every lost hour grievance without a word of protest., all the while shaking his head.
It's the right of passage. Unfortunately everyone wants to be a millennial today and I want everything right now and not work for it
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