UnconTROLLed
perfection
What about chain-smoking hourlies?
Overboard Termination looking for advice
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Overpaid Union Thug
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They should be out there swapping cancer smoke with their sups.
T
Turdferguson
Guest
Use existing equipment. Seems legit.
Mugarolla
Light 'em up!
Very familiar with it. As I stated, immediate discharge. Read my posts and don't post one line out of context.
It is a technicality, but we've lost cases on technicalities also.
They did not terminate him immediately. They continued to allow him to work.
Where I am from, we have won every single one of these cases.
I thought you knew what you were doing. Maybe not.
Work safe or not at all.
Well-Known Member
You will get your job back with back pay
BakerMayfield2018
Fight the power.
friend
gorilla75jdw
Well-Known Member
Re read the last 3 sentences , he filed a grievance
UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)
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Mugarolla
Light 'em up!
I mostly agree, but the Central has Article 17 (i).
(i) other cardinal offenses
You mean even more than they do now?
Doing something so stupid as to leave yourself open to serious injury or death can be debated as being a cardinal sin or not under 17i.
If he is in the Central or any other supplement that has the "other serious or cardinal" offenses, then it is a matter of opinion on whether this act qualifies. It did not necessarily negate the contract language.
My point to also. We have never lost a case like this. The cases like this are not even heard.
Point of order at the local level. If it was so serious a violation, why was he not terminated on the spot? Why was he allowed to continue to work?
If UPS disagrees, the case does not continue to be heard. The hearing is over and the Point of Order goes to the panel. That is all they rule on. They don't see the case or know why he was fired. (Theoretically).
Every one we have taken to the panel has the Point of Order upheld.
This puts the employee back to work with full back pay and termination expunged.
BigUnionGuy
Got the T-Shirt
Fair enough.
More or less, the point I was trying to make.
That's the proper position to take.
But....
From a liability standpoint, the grievant should be advised and in agreement.
After all, it's their job on the line.
Theoretically ? Sure.
Real world ?
Everyone, knows what the case is about.
Both sides discuss it in the pre-panel meeting.
After all.... both sides are trying to win.
(And influence their respective Panel Members)
Aside from the California case;
I personally saw the results of a part-time supervisor, who had the flesh stripped off
the palm of her hand when she was walking on a moving belt.
She lost her balance.... and went to grab for something....
I don't condone stupidity.
Progressive discipline (on this issue) is a wash with me.
-Bug-
Mugarolla
Light 'em up!
Fair enough.
More or less, the point I was trying to make.
That's the proper position to take.
But....
From a liability standpoint, the grievant should be advised and in agreement.
After all, it's their job on the line.
Theoretically ? Sure.
Real world ?
Everyone, knows what the case is about.
Both sides discuss it in the pre-panel meeting.
After all.... both sides are trying to win.
(And influence their respective Panel Members)
Aside from the California case;
I personally saw the results of a part-time supervisor, who had the flesh stripped off
the palm of her hand when she was walking on a moving belt.
She lost her balance.... and went to grab for something....
I don't condone stupidity.
Progressive discipline (on this issue) is a wash with me.
-Bug-
Well said bug.
Overpaid Union Thug
Well-Known Member
We don't have that "Other Cardinal Sins" garbage in our supplement. That is pure garbage. How did you guys ever let that language into yours?
To be fair.....many people outside of my region could ask the same question about the language in our supplement that allows for part-timers to deliver ground as "TCDs."
Mugarolla
Light 'em up!
Because we don't have enough people willing to stand up to the union and UPS at the same time.
Orion inc.
I like turtles
Yes you've admitted to doing it before on here. Guess you didn't scan the EAM in the building and falsify records also?
Work safe or not at all.
Well-Known Member
Yes, and yes
Sometimes
Member
So many perfect employees out there. Kid made a mistake and he owned it. Why are people taking shots at him. Seems many want to take down anyone who try's to do something good for the company or co workers. In the old days I would ride flat on the belt just to massage my aching back.
