Package Car Security

dilligaf

IN VINO VERITAS
TSA = airport
fedex ground = ground
fedex express = air
ups = ground/air

you have to follow TSA rules because your ups truck is considered connected to the airport even if you never get within 100 miles of one same as a fedex express. fedex ground doesn't have to because they do not interact with the airport in any way. there are some benefits to having one driver being able to deliver everything but there are also things we have to deal with that a company that has separate networks doesn't have to.
Interesting, I hadn't looked at it in that way before, but it does make sense.
 

drewed

Shankman
TSA is all transportation rail, air, and ground....the sticking point here is UPS started off as a trucking company thusly has different regs then FDX which started off as a airline.
Yea UPS does tend to make the regs above and beyond but that allows us to say beyond a shadow of a doubt that we followed them.
All trucks should be fully secure and if out of line of site the cab too. We deal with HazMats and controlled substances and these NEED to be secured. Also there are thousands of dollars are packages on a truck, thats revenue that we could have lost...hes lucky he didnt lose his job for stupidity and not following methods
 

UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)

Well-Known Member
...he's lucky he didnt lose his job for stupidity and not following methods

We were told that he most likely would have had these been TSA inspectors rather than our own security people. It certainly was a wake-up call to the rest of us, especially those who also take shortcuts.
 

looper804

Is it time to go home yet
why is it that FedEx Ground and FedEx Residential...never shut there vehicles down when making a delivery??? Are they special, or do they not fall under the " TSA Guidelines".............they pull into every driveway..leave there vehicle running and unsecured and make the delivery and then sprint back to the vehicle
Young fedex ground gut that delivers in my area even leaves the vehicle running while he is in apartment buildings.I wish someone would drive off with it.I would love to see his face.
 

ikoi62

Well-Known Member
Have driver file grievance for all time off to be paid because company didn't follow the rules. Driver must be given a warning letter first. Follow the rules and make sure company also follows the rules.
i agree!

No, I don't agree and will not forward your suggestion. This is basic stuff and if he can't do the basics maybe he should be working somewhere else. It's that simple--close the door and wear your seat belt.
So you would like us to follow UPS's rules,chain the door,close the door and all, they were UPS rules long before the TSA got involved, but they don't have to follow the contract rules for discipline, as you say this is the basic stuff.
 
Terrorists did their job well it seems.

By the way, I know I'll get :censored2: for this, but how many of you have seen this?

You don't have to believe it but atleast watch it. It's interesting. Not sure I believe our government would so something like this to us though.
 

MonavieLeaker

Bringin Teh_Lulz
i agree!

So you would like us to follow UPS's rules,chain the door,close the door and all, they were UPS rules long before the TSA got involved, but they don't have to follow the contract rules for discipline, as you say this is the basic stuff.

Um considering that driver works for ups and ups pays him..yes you have to follow the rules....what a stupid mind blowing post :whiteflag:
 

ikoi62

Well-Known Member
Please point out what you think is stupid..
you cut and paste only part of my post and have the balls to say it was a stupid post.
reread it again

Quote:
Have driver file grievance for all time off to be paid because company didn't follow the rules. Driver must be given a warning letter first. Follow the rules and make sure company also follows the rules.
my reply
i agree!

Quote:
No, I don't agree and will not forward your suggestion. This is basic stuff and if he can't do the basics maybe he should be working somewhere else. It's that simple--close the door and wear your seat belt.

my reply
So you would like us to follow UPS's rules,chain the door,close the door and all, they were UPS rules long before the TSA got involved, but they don't have to follow the contract rules for discipline, as you say this is the basic stuff.
Yes we do work for them and the do pay us..but them must follow the rules that they agreed to in the contract.
Its the stupid people who only tell part of the story.
 

What'dyabringmetoday???

Well-Known Member
No, I don't agree and will not forward your suggestion. This is basic stuff and if he can't do the basics maybe he should be working somewhere else. It's that simple--close the door and wear your seat belt.

As far as the chain, I also thought that it was just going from the center to the first stop but his O/H door lock was broken so in that instance he needs to use his chain.

IMO, he should be thankful that it is only 3 days off--he very well could have been fired for this transgression.
The chain should be hooked all of the time, not just on the way to the first stop. There is a reason for the chain. Customers do not like us littering the road with their boxes. Also, if door lock or latch is broken, it should be fixed and not taken out on road. Of course, we know what happens when you mention something trivial like a broken door lock.
 

New Englander

Well-Known Member
I can't speak for Ground or Home, but at Express we are required to have them closed,
FAA/TSA inspectors will and have caught driver/couriers. In fact we are required to lock
the cab also when away from the vehicle(unless its a resi, and passenger side delivery
within eyesight) Locking up the cab is a pain, unless of course you have one of the
newer trucks with keyless/RFID entry/start.

I believe Ground and Home are covered under the Railway act or something like that.

Fredly YOU guys are covered under The Railway Act.
 

MonavieLeaker

Bringin Teh_Lulz
Please point out what you think is stupid..
you cut and paste only part of my post and have the balls to say it was a stupid post.
reread it again

Yes we do work for them and the do pay us..but them must follow the rules that they agreed to in the contract.
Its the stupid people who only tell part of the story.

I quoted the part I thought was stupid..and if you have a problem with ups following the contract..they have this piece of paper called a grievance..use it!!!
 

moreluck

golden ticket member
Diegotron I spent the time to watch that clip.....over an hour long.

I found it compelling. I watched the collapse of those towers many times on TV and always thought how much it looked like the demolition of all the Vegas casinos I've seen in the past.

There are certainly a lot of questions raised. I hope it's not true that our country would do something like this.

I found the Pentagon part very interesting. I guess we'll never know.
 
Diegotron I spent the time to watch that clip.....over an hour long.

I found it compelling. I watched the collapse of those towers many times on TV and always thought how much it looked like the demolition of all the Vegas casinos I've seen in the past.

There are certainly a lot of questions raised. I hope it's not true that our country would do something like this.

I found the Pentagon part very interesting. I guess we'll never know.

Glad you actually took the time to watch it, most people would rather not look at it for fear of seeming non-patriotic. There used to be a man who spent a good deal of his money and time trying to spread this video, a couple of news stations had him on, but only made fun of him. The stuff in the video is interesting, but who knows how credible some of that information is. The Pentagon incident does seem to be what most people find believable. If our government were to do something like this, they did a very good job of making everyone look the other way. I'll shut up now.
 

atatbl

Well-Known Member
Diegotron I spent the time to watch that clip.....over an hour long.

I found it compelling. I watched the collapse of those towers many times on TV and always thought how much it looked like the demolition of all the Vegas casinos I've seen in the past.

There are certainly a lot of questions raised. I hope it's not true that our country would do something like this.

I found the Pentagon part very interesting. I guess we'll never know.

It is always amazing to see (or hear in this case) a person's reaction to "loose change" the first time they see it. Its funny that most people get angry because it just uses documentation and studies to upset their preconceived notions. I am impressed to see that 1. someone would post that here 2. you actually saw that for what it was and didn't attack the OP of the video.

This video is several years old and since then information has come out to refute some elements and to confirm other suspicions. What boggles me is that I don't really want to agree with it as a whole (like most Americans), yet things now confirmed (from this video) just make you forced to say "oh my god, that would have taken internal planning".
 

drewed

Shankman
I quoted the part I thought was stupid..and if you have a problem with ups following the contract..they have this piece of paper called a grievance..use it!!!

This reminds me of an incident last year when some one marshalled an airplane into a air container. All three were walked out all three were walked out, 2 grieved 2 came back, the 3rd knew he was negligent just as this driver was.... if some one left their package car unsecured in your building and some kids took it to school and started burning other kids with a corrosive or something worse would you expect that driver to keep his job? An example had to be made here, did any of the other drivers out of this center have problems securing their cars? NO 3 days suspension isnt bad if TSA or DOT did this audit he would be on a prolonged permanent vacation and wouldnt have to worry that his package care is secured
 

UPS Lifer

Well-Known Member
i agree!

So you would like us to follow UPS's rules,chain the door,close the door and all, they were UPS rules long before the TSA got involved, but they don't have to follow the contract rules for discipline, as you say this is the basic stuff.

I worked closely with the FAA my last two years. TSA and FAA agents are out in the field making sure that security issues never reach any airport including our small gateways.

The discipline could have been written under the cardinal sin language. A written warning does not need to be in place.
 
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