Part time poverty

[take your time]

You must have missed the part where I said I waited almost a decade for fulltime. I started here in '04 went fulltime in '14. The part time pay sucked just as bad then as it does now. The only difference is I didn't cry about it. I knew what this place was. Long wait for a good job. It has always been that way.

Wow, you guys are seriously amazingly tough people. I tip my hat to you guys. Being on this job for about 2 months now and seeing how brutal it is to be a driver (aches all over my body, knee aches), I gotta lot of respect for people like you. I was lucky, I was hired off the street straight into a full time package driver position. I see the preloader kids who load my truck look at me with a bit of anger/jealousy that I got in without waiting 8+ years. It would get very frustrating to wait a long time to be a driver.

 

[PT Car Washer]

Exactly.......that is a minimum wage job that could be done by mentally deficient mk monkeys

Yet UPS and the Union negotiated $34.60/hr for both PT and FT employees. A lot less for Art 22.3 employees.

 

[HEFFERNAN]

When did cleaning toilets and washing package cars for $34/hr become a skilled job?

For 30+ years, you've showed up on time to work not drunk and were an asset to the business plan.
You're paid $34 an hour for that, not for what job you bid.

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

For 30+ years, you've showed up on time to work not drunk and were an asset to the business plan.
You're paid $34 for that, not for what job you bid.

DwfDefinit not enough easy jobs for the old timers bit I honestly believe that their should be a time limit on those jobs.

 

[PT Car Washer]

For 30+ years, you've showed up on time to work not drunk and were an asset to the business plan.
You're paid $34 an hour for that, not for what job you bid.

The pay rate has nothing to do with seniority.

 

[take your time]

I'm still in my first year driving, im barley making it. When i first started i would maybe get 2 days a week and no i dont live with my parents, i have rent to pay lol. Lately i have been doing 4 days a week which i love because i can actually start paying bills while having enough to eat. But pretty soon i will have most if not all of my bills paid and i can start banking some money. It was a risky move to quit a full time job 40+ hours a week at 14 dollars an hour, but i didnt want to be stuck at a dead end job with no raises, benefits or retirement. I suffered through the first year and without my parents i wouldn't have made it. UPS is a hard gig at first but im guessing once you start moving up and making top pay and experiencing all the BS and getting used to it, its not a bad job and you will be rich! Also it probably helps i dont have a family to support or kids yet. Just myself and my 2 cats.

What was the hardest part about UPS at first for you?

 

[PT Car Washer]

DwfDefinit not enough easy jobs for the old timers bit I honestly believe that their should be a time limit on those jobs.

The old timers can retire.

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

The old timers can retire.

I'm just trying to say you shouldn't be able to take that job at 50 years old and work it until you are 70

 

[Maple Grove MN Driver]

I'm just trying to say you shouldn't be able to take that job at 50 years old and work it until you are 70

Why not?

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

Why not?

Because they could retire and others may need that job for a few years so they can retire.

 

[PT Car Washer]

I'm just trying to say you shouldn't be able to take that job at 50 years old and work it until you are 70

We have a Porter who is way past 70. Collecting Social Security and his Union pension and $70k+/yr. in wages.

 

[HEFFERNAN]

The pay rate has nothing to do with seniority.

You start at X, you work many years through progression and contract raises, you have Bigger X

 

[Maple Grove MN Driver]

Because they could retire and others may need that job for a few years so they can retire.

Nah maximizing your earning power in a slack job is brilliant

 

[Maple Grove MN Driver]

We have a Porter who is way past 70. Collecting Social Security and his Union pension and $70k+/yr. in wages.

Smart man.
Loves money

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

We have a Porter who is way past 70. Collecting Social Security and his Union pension and $70k+/yr. in wages.

And that's exactly why I think we should have a limit. That's abusing the situation

 

[Maple Grove MN Driver]

And that's exactly why I think we should have a limit. That's abusing the situation

How so?
You sound like a Communist

 

[Jkloc420]

Usually at work you are supposed to work.
Except on break.

I will never work

 

[PT Car Washer]

You start at X, you work many years through progression and contract raises, you have Bigger X

So a driver with 25 years seniority makes more then a driver with 5 years?

 

[HEFFERNAN]

So a driver with 25 years seniority makes more then a driver with 5 years?

I'm comparing your starting pay 30 years ago to your pay now.
FT drivers have a ceiling that keeps getting higher with raises.

 

[Hannah-banana]

There's that, but what I'm also getting at is that if you aren't going to make ends meet, why bother putting in the hours? You, and everyone with a good work ethic, are afraid of being considered lazy, a "bum", if you aren't doing everything you can. But not working under unlivable conditions is more of a protest than bumming out. That's what will effect change, refuse to participate. We have unions, and organized labor, and how's being part of one working for you? Are you getting your dues worth? Trust me, you wouldn't be the only person not working out of protest.

I'm not suggesting you really walk away, but I sure wouldn't judge you if you did. You can also simply scale back, work one part time job, and spend the rest of your time focusing on school. Apply for any assistance you can get. And if you really want a good job, go with aircraft mechanic. Do both airframe and powerplant. Manufacturers and airlines are snapping them up as soon as they finish school. And even if you didn't end up working on aircraft you will have learned almost every other trade in the process.

Thank you! I appreciate all of your info! I'm looking into it..