Part time poverty

[Sissy Brown Short Shorts]

Why?
Please explain to me why you think someone working two 20 hour jobs doesn't deserve a living wage, but someone working one 40 hour job does.




Or maybe you just don't understand what living wage means.

I’m only talking about one 20 hour a week job. People who work at McDonald’s don’t deserve 15-20$ an hour or a 50k a year salary. It’s an entry level job that involves no skill, it’s meant for kids. If you want to make more money learn a skill or go to school and don’t have kids or start a family until you’re financially ready. And if the inside part timers and the McDonald’s workers get 15-20$ An hour then I want my top rate to be 45$ there’s no way in hell the work that drivers do is anywhere in the ballpark as close to what burger flippers do or unloadeds do.

 

[Sissy Brown Short Shorts]

Yup

They’re not getting anybody from the warehouses to drive. Nobody wants to do it. They hire off the street as a last resort, they need to offer driving jobs to the guys inside first.

 

[Hannah-banana]

You're a few decades late.
There's no treasure down there.
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[DriveInDriѵeOut]

I’m only talking about one 20 hour a week job.

Then you're not talking about a living wage. Living wage is the amount per hour it takes to live working 40 hours a week.

People who work at McDonald’s don’t deserve 15-20$ an hour or a 50k a year salary.

Ok... 15 an hour would be 31k a year not 50k.

it’s meant for kids.

Ok, the statistics prove that's simply not true anymore though.

If you want to make more money learn a skill or go to school.

So stupid people should live in squalor.... Doesn't have to be that way in this country.

And if the inside part timers and the McDonald’s workers get 15-20$ An hour then I want my top rate to be 45$

So you're saying corporations under paying their employees is holding your wage down.... Hmm.

there’s no way in hell the work that drivers do is anywhere in the ballpark as close to what burger flippers do or unloadeds do.

And $15 an hour would be no where near what a driver makes....

How long did you work inside the building?

 

[DriveInDriѵeOut]

They’re not getting anybody from the warehouses to drive. Nobody wants to do it. They hire off the street as a last resort, they need to offer driving jobs to the guys inside first.

Warehouses?
Do you even work here?

 

[PT Car Washer]

I’m only talking about one 20 hour a week job. People who work at McDonald’s don’t deserve 15-20$ an hour or a 50k a year salary. It’s an entry level job that involves no skill, it’s meant for kids. If you want to make more money learn a skill or go to school and don’t have kids or start a family until you’re financially ready. And if the inside part timers and the McDonald’s workers get 15-20$ An hour then I want my top rate to be 45$ there’s no way in hell the work that drivers do is anywhere in the ballpark as close to what burger flippers do or unloadeds do.

But UPS pays FT Union members $34/hr to clean toilets and empty trash cans? How does that compare to package delivery?

 

[Sissy Brown Short Shorts]

I’m only talking about one 20 hour a week job. People who work at McDonald’s don’t deserve 15-20$ an hour or a 50k a year salary. It’s an entry level job that involves no skill, it’s meant for kids. If you want to make more money learn a skill or go to school and don’t have kids or start a family until you’re financially ready.

But UPS pays FT Union members $34/hr to clean toilets and empty trash cans? How does that compare to package delivery?

It’s a full time job and they’ve got years worth of pay raises under their belt. They put their time on and moved up in seniority.

 

[Pullman Brown]

Thank you. My Mom had an aneurysm when I was 20 and she has been semi functional since. It's a hard thing to prove to gov agencies because it's more subtle. Not paralysis or something that can easily be just seen. It left her more childlike and unable to understand her bills or to be very efficient at work. It effected her cognitive functions.

She gets partial social security because she took it out early at age 62. She has no savings or retirement, and she was no longer able to drive school buses due to her confusion.

So she's been working at a bakery that pays her minimum wage. They aren't very nice to her because she isn't as fast as her 20 year old coworkers and can't understand the computerized cash register.

Anyway, the PT bakery thing and the partial SS is not enough to make it so I took her in. I make too much to qualify for gov assistance, although I am technically in poverty. I make about 24,000 a year. I can't afford Obama care so I've been paying the tax fee for the last few years.

I'll be insured by UPS in October though, so that's major. I'm looking into making my mom a dependent. As her Medicare coverage is pretty bleak.

So there you have it.

That is awesome! That is great thing you are doing taking care of her!

 

[Sissy Brown Short Shorts]

Warehouses?
Do you even work here?

What are you supposed to call it? Big commercial building with docks and belts that process packages? Sounds like a warehouse to me.

 

[Sissy Brown Short Shorts]

Then you're not talking about a living wage. Living wage is the amount per hour it takes to live working 40 hours a week.

Ok... 15 an hour would be 31k a year not 50k.
Ok, the statistics prove that's simply not true anymore though.

So stupid people should live in squalor.... Doesn't have to be that way in this country.

So you're saying corporations under paying their employees is holding your wage down.... Hmm.

And $15 an hour would be no where near what a driver makes....

How long did you work inside the building?

I worked inside for 1 1/2 years and I’ve been driving for 4. My argument here is that someone off the street first year on the job isn’t entitled to a high paying position. Loading unloading and sorting is an unskilled position. You put your time on and you get your raises, or you climb the ladder of management or you go into driving and get a higher paying position. Do I think 8$ an hour is ty pay? Yes. I think starting inside rate should be about 12$. And don’t forget these PTs benefits package is HUGE! You need to add at least 12k a year to their total income for the year for the health coverage. They also get a pension, can enroll in the 401k and 100% job security with the union. what PT jobs offer that in this country?

 

[UnconTROLLed]

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I worked inside for 1 1/2 years and I’ve been driving for 4. My argument here is that someone off the street first year on the job isn’t entitled to a high paying position. Loading unloading and sorting is an unskilled position. You put your time on and you get your raises, or you climb the ladder of management or you go into driving and get a higher paying position. Do I think 8$ an hour is ty pay? Yes. I think starting inside rate should be about 12$. And don’t forget these PTs benefits package is HUGE! You need to add at least 12k a year to their total income for the year for the health coverage. They also get a pension, can enroll in the 401k and 100% job security with the union. what PT jobs offer that in this country?

I consider most every hourly position unskilled including package delivery. The obvious exception are clerks/auditors. There is far too wide of a gap between a loader pay and driver imo. Both require little talent and skill

 

[Sissy Brown Short Shorts]

PI consider most every hourly position unskilled including package delivery. The obvious exception are clerks/auditors. There is far too wide of a gap between a loader pay and driver imo. Both require little talent and skill

I probably am using skilled and unskilled wrong. When I say unskilled I’m referring to the ease of the position. There’s nothing much to unloading a truck for four hours, and some thinking goes into sorting. Driving isn’t a skilled position but there’s hours of classroom and computer instruction behind it. There’s a lot more thought that goes into having a successful day on the road and you’re putting at least twice, mostly three times as much time on the clock per day and exerting yourself much more physically.

 

[DriveInDriѵeOut]

I worked inside for 1 1/2 years

Took me six months

I started driving 8 months after I started working here.

What are you supposed to call it? Big commercial building with docks and belts that process packages? Sounds like a warehouse to me.

 

[UnconTROLLed]

I probably am using skilled and unskilled wrong. When I say unskilled I’m referring to the ease of the position. There’s nothing much to unloading a truck for four hours, and some thinking goes into sorting. Driving isn’t a skilled position but there’s hours of classroom and computer instruction behind it. There’s a lot more thought that goes into having a successful day on the road and you’re putting at least twice, mostly three times as much time on the clock per day and exerting yourself much more physically.

Nah, if you factor in idle time, window time and customer time, 8 hours on road is roughly 4 hours loading on a PD or on a preload pull. I work much harder and move more things in my 8+ hours as a 22.3 than I ever did on a FT route. I've done both and for a longer time, started right after 9/11/01. FT driving is mentally exhausting via redundancy more than anything, like a mouse inside of a maze. ;D The vast majority of people have enough skill to drive a vehicle, I trust they could be a UPS driver if they wanted to never see their family and be in physical pain for a long time.

 

[Sissy Brown Short Shorts]

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I worked inside on days I wasn’t driving

 

[DriveInDriѵeOut]

I worked inside on days I wasn’t driving

Cool story bro

 

[Hannah-banana]

I probably am using skilled and unskilled wrong. When I say unskilled I’m referring to the ease of the position. There’s nothing much to unloading a truck for four hours, and some thinking goes into sorting. Driving isn’t a skilled position but there’s hours of classroom and computer instruction behind it. There’s a lot more thought that goes into having a successful day on the road and you’re putting at least twice, mostly three times as much time on the clock per day and exerting yourself much more physically.

I find preload rather back breaking. In fact I got a hernia within 6 months. In small sort now until I can get the insurance and surgery. I consider the sort very hard work as well. I enjoy the challenge.

 

[Hannah-banana]

A lot of young people are confused by how hard the work is at UPS with the starting wage. Especially when they could sit behind a counter and play with their phones for more.

But they lack work ethic and longer term goals to consider. Which is unfortunate.

I am proud to work my hardest everyday, and i love the physical action. Also determined to succeed in the longer scope of a career.

Just frustrated to struggle to afford food and housing when I work so hard at 3 jobs. Seems cruel. Maybe the real change that's needed is higher minimum wage across the board.

 

[1989]

I find preload rather back breaking. In fact I got a hernia within 6 months. In small sort now until I can get the insurance and surgery. I consider the sort very hard work as well. I enjoy the challenge.

Look up occupational injury in your state L and I laws

 

[Maple Grove MN Driver]

You know what boomer? Your parents have the same opinion of your entitled generation.

They didn't whine on the internet about it.

You have zero skills.
You are paid accordingly