Predicted Peak Volume

[Cactus]

Yet the trucks are full, the packages are getting delivered, and the volume keeps increasing. For a business that doesn't have enough cheap labor, someone is doing the work.

Yeah, for now. With all the heavy packages they have to handle on a daily basis their gonna be unable to work by the time they reach 40.

My experience with former Ground guys who came to Express is that they prefer the relatively lax work atmosphere offered by Ground. So much so that they're willing to give up better pay and benefits to go back to it. "That's not how we did it at Ground" and "That didn't matter at Ground" is common.

And you know that by sitting in a cushy office pimping numbers? Nice try.

 

[bacha29]

My experience with former Ground guys who came to Express is that they prefer the relatively lax work atmosphere offered by Ground. So much so that they're willing to give up better pay and benefits to go back to it. "That's not how we did it at Ground" and "That didn't matter at Ground" is common.

How common is being handed 140 stops every morning at Express?

 

[bacha29]

Yeah, for now. With all the heavy packages they have to handle on a daily basis their gonna be unable to work by the time they reach 40.

And you know that by sitting in a cushy office pimping numbers? Nice try.

Indeed. Just take a look at what is loaded onto an Express truck in the morning compared to what you see going in a Ground truck in the AM. The maximum crate weight at Ground is 150 and talk of it going to 175 is getting louder. What's the maximum unassisted weight at Express?

 

[59 Dano]

Honestly you can't make a good living or a career out of working for ground.


Pension? 401k? Healthcare? Paid holidays, sick days and vacation time?

Maybe if you are a young guy trying to make a few bucks....

Different people are motivated by different things. I see people who are 50 years old doing jobs that aren't very rewarding in any sense of the word. Some of them seem content, some seem resigned to the idea that that's the best they'll ever do, while it's just a bump in the road on the way to something better for others.

 

[59 Dano]

+1000%.

We've had former Ground drivers in our station. None of them have stayed any length of time. Most of them thumbed their noses at Express policies and all the micro-managing we put up with. This doesn't mean they weren't hard workers. They just didn't like all the B.S. we deal with on a day-to-day basis.

We've also lost guys to Ground and USPS. They all say the same thing and are happier where they are.

The ones we dealt with were ok workers. It's hard to break them from the "just empty the truck" mentality and get them onto the "you have to make service and productivity goals" train. Heard a lot of "the customer didn't care that I got there five minutes late" types of things. A lot of them had the idea that nothing else really mattered as long as the recipient wasn't mad. It's hard to break people of their habits. Some of them turned out to be awesome but they were the ones who had the ability to adapt to new rules and expectations.

 

[59 Dano]

Yeah, for now. With all the heavy packages they have to handle on a daily basis their gonna be unable to work by the time they reach 40.

That's gotta suck.

And you know that by sitting in a cushy office pimping numbers? Nice try.

Good work if you can get it.

 

[59 Dano]

How common is being handed 140 stops every morning at Express?

Not very at the stations where I worked, which presents an even harsher indictment of the Ground guys we got. You'd think a Ground guy who was killing himself with 140 stops a day would be able to handle a route with half as many stops (and smaller and lighter packages) in the same general area as his Ground route.

 

[Cactus]

That's gotta suck

You wouldn’t have your position if it wasn’t for thousands of people busting their asses out in the real world every day. I suppose you never thought of that.

 

[Jkloc420]

You wouldn’t have your position if it wasn’t for thousands of people busting their asses out in the real world every day. I suppose you never thought of that.

trust me he did not cactus

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

2 weeks earned to start, goes up to 3 after a few years of service. These have been the raises the last few years. It’s definitely a living wage, works out to $22-25/hr for most guys. Some guys are slower and that’ll bring them into the teens, but’s it’s not the workload, the work can be done in 7 hrs on the route.

You pay your drivers based on their ability and effort? What a novel concept.

Beats the heck out of the Union socialist mentality where the slowest slug makes as much, if not more, than the most efficient.

 

[McFeely]

How common is being handed 140 stops every morning at Express?

I do about 120 (P1-P2-pickups) on average in a 10:30 P1 commit area with a pup route. 140 could be handled on my route if I could straightline every day, or if I didn't have 2.5 hours of pickups at the end of every day.

 

[dezguy]

You pay your drivers based on their ability and effort? What a novel concept.

Beats the heck out of the Union socialist mentality where the slowest slug makes as much, if not more, than the most efficient.

So, you went back to work for ups because you gave back the pension the union socialist mentality you so seem to despise, fought for, correct?

 

[59 Dano]

You wouldn’t have your position if it wasn’t for thousands of people busting their asses out in the real world every day. I suppose you never thought of that.

You mean Fat Freddy didn't create my position first and build the entire company around it? BITE YOUR TONGUE!

 

[Cactus]

You mean Fat Freddy didn't create my position first and build the entire company around it?

I'm sure it remains as your biggest wish.

 

[59 Dano]

I'm sure it remains as your biggest wish.

A man can dream.

 

[Purplepackage]

@MassWineGuy update, busiest Monday after Black Friday I’ve seen in a long time, still wishing we had the lack of volume like you do

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

@MassWineGuy update, busiest Monday after Black Friday I’ve seen in a long time, still wishing we had the lack of volume like you do

Foot or more of snow in the Boston area-----I'm sure he is not having a good day.

 

[Cactus]

Foot or more of snow in the Boston area-----I'm sure he is not having a good day.

Oh Well. Tell him it’s not just a job, it’s an adventure.

 

[bacha29]

Oh Well. Tell him it’s not just a job, it’s an adventure.

And out where I live it's not a delivery.....it's a suicide mission.

 

[SmithBarney]

How common is being handed 140 stops every morning at Express?

My last regular route was 120-130 plus pickups, ballooned to 225-300 for two weeks of peak.(now apparently this year is 3 weeks of peak) 45-55 miles(about 4 miles from station)

Now I do about 75 on a regular day, run 200 miles. Peak "so far" is 85-95 a day(ran 240miles Friday 25miles from station)