religion

[FromOffTheStreets]

Careful, Calvin. Your predestination is showing.
How about this...
"God has a plan for everyone" in the sense that He has provided a way for all to be saved through Jesus Christ, but it's up to individuals to choose to accept and follow His plan through obedience to the gospel. This isn't what NoIntegrity is spouting. The idea of a specific, individual destiny being predetermined by God without regard to your own free will.

That would be called determinism. God determines every single action that has ever occurred.
On the other side is almost diesm. God performed the 1st act of creation & then let creation take shape on its own.
If we label deism a 1 & determinism a 5. Your probably a 3, where God steps in & lays the groundwork (Bible) and makes the path (Christ) but leaves it all up to the individual.
I'd put myself at a 4 because I believe God does more of the work than we do. He steps into our lives & causes us to move towards him.

 

[rickyb]

i like my ministers because they know about christianity but they know about other things like international law and how it relates to christianity.

And my ministers know about amnesty intl, human rights watch, the un chart

 

[rickyb]

That would be called determinism. God determines every single action that has ever occurred.
On the other side is almost diesm. God performed the 1st act of creation & then let creation take shape on its own.
If we label deism a 1 & determinism a 5. Your probably a 3, where God steps in & lays the groundwork (Bible) and makes the path (Christ) but leaves it all up to the individual.
I'd put myself at a 4 because I believe God does more of the work than we do. He steps into our lives & causes us to move towards him.

Do not make excuses for your responsibility of moral choice

 

[tourists24]

That would be called determinism. God determines every single action that has ever occurred.
On the other side is almost diesm. God performed the 1st act of creation & then let creation take shape on its own.
If we label deism a 1 & determinism a 5. Your probably a 3, where God steps in & lays the groundwork (Bible) and makes the path (Christ) but leaves it all up to the individual.
I'd put myself at a 4 because I believe God does more of the work than we do. He steps into our lives & causes us to move towards him.

Interesting take on how to look at things

 

[tourists24]

Do not make excuses for your responsibility of moral choice

Why is it his responsibility to have a moral choice that you agree with?

And my ministers know about amnesty intl, human rights watch, the un chart

All things that are at the top top of your priority in life..... you have put all your faith in them

 

[BrownFlush]

That would be called determinism. God determines every single action that has ever occurred.

No. My comment is polar opposite of these two sentences.

On the other side is almost diesm. God performed the 1st act of creation & then let creation take shape on its own.

This is called nature.

If we label deism a 1 & determinism a 5. Your probably a 3, where God steps in & lays the groundwork (Bible) and makes the path (Christ) but leaves it all up to the individual.

Not sure about your number gage but, God's plan for man's salvation was certainly predetermined. His plan for everyone is to choose it. Not reject it. Choice.

I'd put myself at a 4 because I believe God does more of the work than we do. He steps into our lives & causes us to move towards him.

He's already done the work.
How does he "step in" and "cause" us to move towards him?
Sounds like one wouldn't have a choice if that was done.

 

[BigUnionGuy]

@rickyb

 

[Integrity]

Well based on all of our conversations I feel pretty confident in my assessment. Of course our opinions can differ, but it's his choice to get or refuse the gift of salvation

Only God knows this.

 

[Integrity]

Why can't you help me? You made the claim and said it was in the Bible. Maybe someone else...lol
Deflect.
You spout always without the backing of God's Word all the time.
( It makes your blow useless)

God Is the foundation of my faith, not the Bible.

I do love the Bible though.

 

[rickyb]

@rickyb


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Internationalism my friend

Make iran great again

 

[Integrity]

You see this as God has a plan for everyone?

The Bible is crystal clear he has a plan and a purpose for everyone and every thing even religious writings.

 

[rickyb]

Why is it his responsibility to have a moral choice that you agree with?

All things that are at the top top of your priority in life..... you have put all your faith in them

These organizations are about justice and morality which is wat christianity is about

 

[BrownFlush]

The Bible is crystal clear he has a plan and a purpose for everyone and every thing even religious writings.

So God planned Hitler to do what he did? Hitler had no choice?

 

[BrownFlush]

God Is the foundation of my faith, not the Bible.

I do love the Bible though.

Wellllll, la di frikin da.

 

[Integrity]

So God planned Hitler to do what he did? Hitler had no choice?

IMO this response lacks spiritual discernment.

You can’t understand fully the mind of God.

 

[Integrity]

So God planned Hitler to do what he did? Hitler had no choice?

Did God plan for Jesus to be tortured and killed?

 

[FromOffTheStreets]

He's already done the work.
How does he "step in" and "cause" us to move towards him?
Sounds like one wouldn't have a choice if that was done.

God "stepped into" Paul's life.
& Abraham's life
& Noah's life
& Moses life
& David's life
& Jeremiah's life
& Joseph's life
& the disciples lives
& I could go through the entirety of the Bible.
There are also those who went away from his call.

"Nointegrity" is an enigma. He believes in full determinism yet doesn't believe God was able to put in the Bible what he wanted in it.

 

[BrownFlush]

IMO this response lacks spiritual discernment.

You can’t understand fully the mind of God.

IMO it buries what you're pushin'.

 

[BrownFlush]

Did God plan for Jesus to be tortured and killed?

Yes.
Before he made the world.

 

[BrownFlush]

God "stepped into" Paul's life.
& Abraham's life
& Noah's life
& Moses life
& David's life
& Jeremiah's life
& Joseph's life
& the disciples lives
& I could go through the entirety of the Bible.
There are also those who went away from his call.

"Nointegrity" is an enigma. He believes in full determinism yet doesn't believe God was able to put in the Bible what he wanted in it.

You never answered.
What happened to you when and how he "stepped into" your life?
(Again) How does he "step in" and "cause" us to move towards him? How do you know ? Those you mentioned certainly knew.