BrownFlush
Woke Racist Reigning Ban King
Really?
Is forgiveness conditional or unconditional?
Are you saying grace is just automatically imputed?
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Is forgiveness conditional or unconditional?
Are you saying grace is just automatically imputed?
youre in favor of genocide and slavery?
tourists24
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I would rather not have it happen
i got more contradictions
this is from my minister who graduated harvard divinity
tourists24
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That's not me cherry picking anything biblical
tourists24
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Those are all old covenant Old Testament rules that the Jews had at that time. That is not what the new covenant of Christianity is now. Your minister didn't also tell you this?
tourists24
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Why don't you at least look at what the actual scripture says and decide for yourself instead of blindly listening to your minister only.
John 3:18-20
18 “There is no judgment against anyone who believes in him. But anyone who does not believe in him has already been judged for not believing in God’s one and only Son. 19 And the judgment is based on this fact: God’s light came into the world, but people loved the darkness more than the light, for their actions were evil. 20 All who do evil hate the light and refuse to go near it for fear their sins will be exposed.
FromOffTheStreets
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Simon was the same thing judas was. They saw something new that they thought they could take advantage of.
John 12:4 But one of His disciples, Judas Iscariot, Simon’s son, who would betray Him, said, 5 “Why was this fragrant oil not sold for three hundred denarii and given to the poor?” 6 This he said, not that he cared for the poor, but because he was a thief, and had the money box; and he used to take what was put in it......he also took 30 pieces of silver for the betrayal.
Simon wanted $ as well, not God.
Matthew 7:21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’
Your quick to name unbelievers saved to fit your agenda. But also quick to name believers unsaved if it doesn't fit your agenda. You crave the control of a person's soul in your personal style of teaching.
BrownFlush
Woke Racist Reigning Ban King
So even though the Bible is clear that Simon believed (was a believer) and was baptized you put him in your same made up stuff against all scripture about Judas some how wasn't a believer that Jesus was the son of God. Talk about an agenda. You bleed every false thing Calvin made up to keep from letting the Bible speak for itself.
Simon didn't want money. Read the scripture for a change.
Love Matthew 7:21. You might consider what that will is. You're far from it.
I'm quick? Sounds like you're going personal again when you can't answer with scripture. My agenda is His will, not mine. I crave the control? You're in bad shape, pal. My "personal style of teaching? I have to say it's nothing like yours. I back what I teach and believe with scripture. You don't.
Simon didn't want money. Read the scripture for a change.
Love Matthew 7:21. You might consider what that will is. You're far from it.
I'm quick? Sounds like you're going personal again when you can't answer with scripture. My agenda is His will, not mine. I crave the control? You're in bad shape, pal. My "personal style of teaching? I have to say it's nothing like yours. I back what I teach and believe with scripture. You don't.
FromOffTheStreets
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The king of personal attacks is crying victim again?
The point of Matt 7:21-23 is to show that there are people who seem to be doing wonderful miraculous things for the Lord (judas, Simon, ananias & saphira, millions more up til today) yet the Lord does not know them. He never knew them. Because their hearts were never for him but for lawlessness.
The Lord knows those who are his (2 tim. 2:19). I will post again without your 1st grade commentary...John 6:64 But there are some of you who do not believe.” For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were who did not believe, and who would betray Him. 65 And He said, “Therefore I have said to you that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted to him by My Father.”
& John 6:70 Jesus answered them, “Did I not choose you, the twelve, and one of you is a devil?” 71 He spoke of Judas Iscariot, the son of Simon, for it was he who would betray Him, being one of the twelve.
Judas was chosen to do exactly what he did.
BrownFlush
Woke Racist Reigning Ban King
Trust me. The last thing you make me do is cry. If you take quoting scripture to prove your false teaching as a personal attack, I accept the crown.
Matthew 7:21-23 has many points. To practice lawlessness is to do and teach things that are without authority. If it's not in his will, you have no authority to teach it or practice it.. Faith alone salvation is not found in his will. Accept Jesus in your heart and pray for salvation is no where to be found in his will.
2 Tim .2:19 : God knows absolutely who are acceptable in His sight, and who are not. He is the author of the relationship, and sees the innermost part of each heart.
John 6:64 Whenever you post scripture, you might want to add some commentary so a first grader will know what Calvin wants you to believe. We can trade passages all day but, without commentary there is no discussion.
This text is simply recognizing the Deity. He was fully aware of Judas' betrayal of him, knowing his character weakness when he chose him and his plans for delivering him into the hands of the Jews.
65 - I'm guessing since you didn't say anything that this draw is that small still voice that you can't hear or explain.
The great commission has commanded us to make disciples of all nations, baptizing them, those who have become disciples in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit" (Mt. 28:19). No one who lacks the characteristics of a disciple is a proper subject of baptism. The "making disciples" emphasizes that one is drawn to Christ through teaching; Christianity is a taught religion. The Bible answer to how "the draw" is done is in the same chapter a few verses before your feeling that just can't be explained.
Jesus said, "No one can come to Me, unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up on the last day. It is written in the prophets, `And they shall all be taught of God.' Every one who has heard and learned from the Father comes to Me" (Jn. 6:44-45).
70- Looks like Jesus affirming his Deity to me but again, I can't comment on your no comment.
''Judas was chosen to do exactly what he did.'' Ok. What's your point?
Matthew 7:21-23 has many points. To practice lawlessness is to do and teach things that are without authority. If it's not in his will, you have no authority to teach it or practice it.. Faith alone salvation is not found in his will. Accept Jesus in your heart and pray for salvation is no where to be found in his will.
2 Tim .2:19 : God knows absolutely who are acceptable in His sight, and who are not. He is the author of the relationship, and sees the innermost part of each heart.
John 6:64 Whenever you post scripture, you might want to add some commentary so a first grader will know what Calvin wants you to believe. We can trade passages all day but, without commentary there is no discussion.
This text is simply recognizing the Deity. He was fully aware of Judas' betrayal of him, knowing his character weakness when he chose him and his plans for delivering him into the hands of the Jews.
65 - I'm guessing since you didn't say anything that this draw is that small still voice that you can't hear or explain.
The great commission has commanded us to make disciples of all nations, baptizing them, those who have become disciples in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit" (Mt. 28:19). No one who lacks the characteristics of a disciple is a proper subject of baptism. The "making disciples" emphasizes that one is drawn to Christ through teaching; Christianity is a taught religion. The Bible answer to how "the draw" is done is in the same chapter a few verses before your feeling that just can't be explained.
Jesus said, "No one can come to Me, unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up on the last day. It is written in the prophets, `And they shall all be taught of God.' Every one who has heard and learned from the Father comes to Me" (Jn. 6:44-45).
70- Looks like Jesus affirming his Deity to me but again, I can't comment on your no comment.
''Judas was chosen to do exactly what he did.'' Ok. What's your point?
I'm saying that as baptized Christians we are in a saved state but can lose our salvation if we don't live the Christian life. That we will never be perfect but when we fall short we ask for forgiveness and God will forgive. If we are sincere God will know. There's not a mistake is made, I'm immediately in a lost state. We do the best we can and God will judge us accordingly on the Day of Judgement. But we also can't just sin and expect grace to abound as Paul put it. We have to make an effort.
BrownFlush
Woke Racist Reigning Ban King
That would be the abuse of grace Paul was talking about.
The very idea of the false doctrine of once saved one cannot be lost, gives one the very mindset to do that.
After one becomes a Christian (He that believes and is baptized shall be saved- Jesus) The relationship demands that forgiveness is still conditional.
Written to Christians: "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." 1 John 1:9 Prayer, repentance, confession = Forgiveness
If one believes he cannot be lost and forgiveness is unconditional, why bother.
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BrownFlush
Woke Racist Reigning Ban King
Are you hearing voices?
BrownFlush
Woke Racist Reigning Ban King
"But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be the glory both now and to the day of eternity. Amen."- 2 Peter 3:18
If you can't be lost, why bother?
If you can't be lost, why bother?
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