Cactus
Just telling it like it is
And I'm sure those guys lost their jobs for that which is illegal by the way. Ever heard of union busters? Well Fred's got a lot of henchmen who get paid to do such a thing. What a bunch of thugs. Wake up!
Revisiting the Legal Concept of "Independent Contractor"
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CJinx
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I'm sure there were a lot of anti-union propaganda and personnel on hand. Fact remains that the union would rather let their prospects swing in the wind rather than risk losing a vote.
As for terminations; I don't know. I wasn't there. All I can say is that if turnover was high after the union abandoned potential new members, it wouldn't surprise me because package handler turnover is high all the time.
You are making Fred's case for him. You say, "Fred wants control over the outcome.". He is entirely free to have that control. What he cannot do is dictate how that outcome is reached. If I average 800 stops a day and the goal is set at 99%, Fred doesn't get to say whether I do it with a team of 6 drivers working 12 hours or 10 working 8 hours. Of course there are Federal, state, and local laws that must be adhered to by both Fred and contractors, but that goes for all companies. But why would FedEx continue a relationship with contractors who have high turnover, poor service, sub-par safety records, etc.? Do you call that "control"?
You often talk about Fred's money corrupting politicians. Ok. But this is the world we live in. You may as well say that if it weren't for gerrymandering, we'd live in a very different country. Even though both statements could be very true, they aren't going to change. Courts hold up gerrymandering because politicians want them to and politicians uphold the purposely vague wording of the IC statute because businesses (not just Fred) want them to.
MrFedEx
Engorged Member
Sorry, Sammy, but Fred runs you, not the other way around.
oldrps
Well-Known Member
If FedEx dictates what the contractors are supposed to do then why do they have tattoos, just got out of prison, bulkhead doors open, no uniforms, run their vehicles at stops, throw packages, drive like maniacs, (insert your own Ground observations).
This doesn't sound like direction and control that makes them employees. These examples support the definition of contractor. The Express members of this board constantly state that Express employees would be fired for these offenses, yet this is not the case at Ground.
This doesn't sound like direction and control that makes them employees. These examples support the definition of contractor. The Express members of this board constantly state that Express employees would be fired for these offenses, yet this is not the case at Ground.
You have a lot of studying to do.
As a matter of fact, MFE, I'd be interested in reading a full dissertation on contractor regulations and subsequent court challenges and rulings. I'd love to hear why you agree or disagree with each case and how cases outside the scope of Fedex either do or don't have relevance to the state of things at Ground. We all know you don't like it and think it's a scam. Put together the legal argument that Fedex Watch was never able to make.
MrFedEx
Engorged Member
What happens when packages don't get delivered? Whose trailers do Ground tractors pull? Do drivers get to show up for work at any time they choose? Who runs the show at Ground terminals? It's all a big show, and you know it.
MrFedEx
Engorged Member
List them out for me, and I'll take it on, Sammy.
MrFedEx
Engorged Member
Actually, you do. Ground should have been reclassified years ago.
MrFedEx
Engorged Member
I'm sure it is designed to appear as though you and your drivers are not employees. Send me a copy.
oldrps
Well-Known Member
How can you state they are not contractors if you have not read and understood the contract. I no longer have a copy of the contract, ask bbsam if he can get a copy. I am no longer at Ground, but I used to know the contract very well. If you get a copy, then get with a lawyer and go over it before making comments about it on a forum board. If you feel parts of it are not legal, specify which part of the contract is illegal, otherwise leave it to the lawyers and the legal system.
MFE has stated many times that I don't understand Express and therefore shouldn't comment on it. For the most part I don't comment on the in er workings except to say that I think my drivers could do fine at it. MFE on the other hand insist on playing Perry Mason for the downtrodden.
HomeDelivery
Well-Known Member
management doesn't really care about a driver's start time in HD, but it does help to come in early so you can sort/load/flex stops from one route to the other/ adjust for someone who wants an early day, etc... Ground has to come in early enough because they do more B2B stops, where some businesses have banker's hours & more timed pickups... so i guess they're more controlled in terms of start times?!?
contractors, well the good ones, are very flexible w/ their crew & i've seen a few of them that changes things on the fly when one of their own drivers calls out sick
like sam said in an earlier post ~ they don't really care if he runs his area w/ 6 drivers working 12 hour shifts or 10 drivers working 8 hour shifts... as long as his service area is covered.
the only things that management has a hand in with the drivers are the proper P&D procedures & making sure the vehicles are DOT compliant (lights working? tires in spec?) ~ other than that, i just walk in & do my own thing
i've seen some come in as late as NOON to start their day <shrugs> one is a runner-gunner & has a sweet route that he can knock out by 1900
Nope. Go find it yourself. Contracting isn't new.
Call it what you will. It was better than driving for the rinky-dink cab company I drove for after being fired from UPS. I have no complaints.Did you mean, sweat shop?
You,fired from UPS!......shocking! what Fedex ground does..........is sinful...to say the very least....more like criminal
bleedinbrown58
That’s Craptacular
Okay I'll ask, even though it's none of my business...why were you fired from brown?
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