Runner Gunner Orion Ride

Discussion in 'UPS Discussions' started by browned out, Oct 28, 2015.

  1. browned out

    browned out Active Member

    What happens if a Runner Gunner Lunch/ Break Skipper does your route when ORION is being implemented on your route when you are on vacation? What would you expect when you came back from vacation?
  2. burrheadd

    burrheadd Creepy pervert

    Business as usual
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  3. Turdferguson

    Turdferguson Guest

    Nothing Orion only cares about mileage. Not how you run.
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  4. retiredTxfeeder

    retiredTxfeeder cap'n crunch

    You have to do the same things that you do daily, whether you have a rider or not.
  5. browned out

    browned out Active Member

    OK, Thanks. I know in the old days if they did your routes time study with a runner, lunch skipper, method violator, etc. then your time study would not be accurate. You would be an hour behind (hour over allowed) the runners time study numbers. You would then have to explain to the manager....'that's because Skippy did my route during the time study and he skipped his lunch and breaks, did not follow methods, etc.' "Please on car boss... come out with me and show me where I am losing time"

    I don't care about time studies or over allowed. I do the job using the prescribed methods and safety behaviors everyday as if the on-car was on the car everyday.
  6. Overpaid Union Thug

    Overpaid Union Thug Well-Known Member

    A runner and gunner will typically take short cuts that sane drivers wouldn't. The sane drivers will at least try and convince the ORION puppet to configure the solution so that it will permanently chose a different path. That is at least one danger from a runner and gunner running the route with the ORION puppet.
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  7. barnyard

    barnyard KTM rider Staff Member

    When you get back from vacation, the Orion people should ask you when and where you normally take lunch and break; those should be built into the plan and may not be if you are not doing the route when the plan is made.

    We have a couple of routes that do not have anywhere to take break on route; those routes are given allowances for that.
  8. Wally

    Wally Hailing from Parts Unknown.

    Overtime and more miles.
  9. Wally

    Wally Hailing from Parts Unknown.

    Orion team ask the driver? Crazy talk.
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  10. Johney

    Johney Well-Known Member

    Not so fast there pally. In one of our centers where Orion just went in some drivers are blowing through their routes while on their "Orion shadow run" I think it's called and running too many SPORH so Orion now calls for that amount to be put on the car daily.
  11. Ghost in the Darkness

    Ghost in the Darkness Active Member

    Lunch skippers mess up the way the dispatch sup might set it up with added section. I noticed i would be 30-40 minutes behind where orion thought i would be. It came down to running up mileage to break off for pickups or say to heck with pickup compliance. Apparently they dont care about pickup compliance so these days i just try not to show up too early or otherwise be there before they close.
  12. JL 0513

    JL 0513 Well-Known Member

    Doesn't change anything. Time allowances don't change with Orion. It's the same as when the time studies were before.

    The Orion guy reponsible for setting up your route puts the default lunch and break periods in. Doesn't matter if the runner skips them. When you come back, the lunch time adjustment is there.

    The bid driver can, however, have the mid day lunch period adjusted to their preference. So if they like to take a half hour of their hour mid day that can be put into the system and reflect in the Orion solution. Take a look at the Orion computer in the morning. There's a line that says "ETA adjustment". That will show how much break is planned mid day.

    Remember that Orion works entirely based on timing which many drivers seem to be unaware of. Drivers that wonder why miles are way different than the plan fail to see that the Orion time table wasn't met. For example, if you have to break off for pickups 10 stops earlier than the plan, boom - more miles.
  13. jumpman23

    jumpman23 Oh Yeah

    Yeah and their retarded for doing that lol.
  14. Turdferguson

    Turdferguson Guest

    Didn't happen any of the routes here. My three days of Orion run was focused only on miles. They one draw back would be if you were on vacation and the cover driver turned around in people's driveway like Orion wanted the driver too. Just refuse to do it on safety principal.
  15. UpstateNYUPSer

    UpstateNYUPSer Very proud grandfather.

    When the Orion team was in my center they did all that they could to make sure that they rode with the bid driver whenever possible.

    Driver pace can make a huge difference in how your Orion is set up. For example, my first stop of the day is normally Walmart; however, Orion has me delivering all of my air and then going back to Walmart. I am usually able to deliver Walmart and get all of my air off on time. This puts me ahead of the Orion solution.

    HEFFERNAN Huge Member

    Because you're suppose to take your lunch between the 4th and 6th hour, this will cause a problem if you skip your lunch or take it at the end of the day.
    Orion weaves its way through your route so you are around pickups at certain times, if you don't take the lunch you'll be off an hour and will have to add miles to get back to the pickups.
  17. Johney

    Johney Well-Known Member

  18. onehandsolo

    onehandsolo Active Member

    They will manage your bulk air and density during your Orion ride and for a few weeks after. Therefore giving you a sporh metric that you cannot maintain in the future.
  19. UpstateNYUPSer

    UpstateNYUPSer Very proud grandfather.

    This is not true. My route was not altered one bit for either of my Orion rides.
  20. Johney

    Johney Well-Known Member

    Well of course not, the BOG Gods would never allow that to happen.
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