You link to an article that explicitly calls for Nullification, and when called on it, you back pedal. Disingenuous? I'd call it 'chicken manure'.
Say what you mean and mean what you say, otherwise your posts are more like moreluck's.
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Say what you mean and mean what you say, otherwise your posts are more like moreluck's.
Are you angling for "Troll" status?
Catatonic
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I just enjoy messing with the self-important who think their posts actually mean something.
I get a chuckle at you all the time.
Catatonic
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Are you angling for "Troll" status?
Posters in the Current Events forum are trolls by default.
a simple "yes" will do.
wkmac
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The action of revolt against the crown does have a libertarian aspect (some of the Jeffersonian ideals) to it but the outcome of that revolt in the formation of the nationstate of the United States was anything but libertarian. On the latter point you would be correct but at the time of the revolt of the Stamp Act, a nationstate called the United States was not in play.
Just a bit of side note, if the people of the United States today, generally speaking, had the same level of taxation as the average common people of the day in the 1770's, we would think we were living in a libertarian utopia.
And if you want to stick to technical ideals, I got no problem there, I'll agree with your assertion that the experiment that became the United States is no libertarian ideal on the very same grounds that Somalia is no Anarchist experience. If proper grammar and etymological correctness is the goal and outcome........your call.
Just a bit of side note, if the people of the United States today, generally speaking, had the same level of taxation as the average common people of the day in the 1770's, we would think we were living in a libertarian utopia.
And if you want to stick to technical ideals, I got no problem there, I'll agree with your assertion that the experiment that became the United States is no libertarian ideal on the very same grounds that Somalia is no Anarchist experience. If proper grammar and etymological correctness is the goal and outcome........your call.
Libertarian ideals n the past (and today as well) seem like a spearhead, a rallying cry. A set of ideals outside the realm of human ability to emulate in life. Why would anyone believer the founding fathers would have truly believed that "all men are created equal"? Even leaving slavery out of the equation, did George Washington believe that a Virginian foot soldier was his equal? Did he believe that soldier had the right to come and go from that Continental Army as he chose?
Catatonic
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Especially with Jefferson.
He was a man of ideals consistently at odds with his actions.
wkmac
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Much of those contradictions manifested themselves once he entered into a position of political power too. Thus the Acton Principle.
Let's say that Washington didn't hold those ideals. How do you suggest they would wage a war of independence with soldiers deserting left and right?
Catatonic
Nine Lives
By soldiers fighting in spite of their lack of independence?
...and for the independence of the landowners and ruling class. And if they don't? Washington executed two in order to answer that question.
Catatonic
Nine Lives
Absolutely ... it's always the loss of freedom of individuals to protect the interests of the more powerful.
Unless you are one of the "powerful", this system sucks.
and thus the promised fruits of libertarian ideals are plowed under and subverted.
Catatonic
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You are a beaten man while I am not ... I manage to keep my mind above the bondage of the plow and sword.
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