Suit: UPS barred Muslim workers from praying at Mendota Hts. facility and fired them

[Jkloc420]

i pray for everyone in this thread

 

[MAKAVELI]

Not the wrong thread Einstein.
My self quote was in context with the rest of my post.

Read it real slow.
I can't spell everything out for you.

I think that tinfoil hat of yours must be on a little too tight.

 

[over9five]

A similar situation:

In fact, Islamic scholars generally agree that while prayers command high priority, they can be missed or performed later in extenuating circumstances.

“Employers have the right to protect themselves. Unfortunately, there are Muslims who abuse the system,” said Imam Yahya Hendi, president of Clergy Without Borders, an interfaith organization in Washington, D.C.

Hendi said that it was un-Islamic to accept pay for work one did not perform, and chastised the fired Hertz workers for making Islam seem “complicated” and “inadaptable to America.”

“If Muslims can do it on their own time, this is the idea,” said Zulfiqar Ali Shah, executive director of the North American Fiqh Council, a group of religious leaders who offer guidance on Islamic law.

“If there’s a conflict between prayer and work, the Muslims should accommodate to work,” said Shah.
For U.S. Muslims, Work-Time Prayer a Struggle | HuffPost

Gee, common sense!

 

[Operational needs]

The article did not state how many times they prayed at work. Only that they must pray 5 times a day.

I reread it and that's the take I got also.

 

[Turdferguson]

The article did not state how many times they prayed at work. Only that they must pray 5 times a day.

Said they couldn't pray as needed, not required.

"Abdullahi Dahir and Abdifatah Hassan said they had been allowed to pray as needed while at work "
A need is different than a requirement

 

[MAKAVELI]

Said they couldn't pray as needed, not required.

"Abdullahi Dahir and Abdifatah Hassan said they had been allowed to pray as needed while at work "
A need is different than a requirement

Is that like I need to take a piss but I'm not required to?

 

[Catatonic]

They pray at specific times during the day. The article made no mention that these employees only worked one specific shift.

Salah times - Wikipedia
Five daily prayersEdit
The five daily prayers are obligatory (fard) and they are performed at times determined essentially by the position of the Sun in the sky. Hence, salah times vary at different locations on the Earth.

• Video about Salat
• Printable Prayer Description

FajrEdit
Fajar begins at subh saadiq -- true dawn or morning twilight, when the morning light appears across the full width of the sky -- and ends at sunrise.

Dhuhr (midday)Edit
Main article: Dhuhr
The Dhuhr prayer starts after the sun passes its zenith, and lasts almost 20 min (approx) before Asr. It's better to say the salah in between 2 hours after the Azan has been announced from Mosque.

Shia (Jafari madhab) differs regarding end of dhuhr time. Per all major Jafari jusrists, end of dhuhr time is about 10 minutes before sunset, the time that belongs exclusively to asr prayer. Dhuhr and asr time overlaps, apart from first 5 minutes of dhuhr, which is exclusively delegated for it. Asr prayer cannot be offered before dhuhr in the dhuhr time...

Asr (afternoon)Edit
Main article: Asr
The Asr prayer starts when the shadow of an object is the same length as the object itself (or, according to Hanafi fiqh, twice its length) plus the shadow length at Dhuhr, and lasts till sunset. Asr can be split into two sections; the preferred time is before the sun starts to turn orange, while the time of necessity is from when the sun turns orange until sunset.

Shia (Jafari madhab) differs regarding start of asr time. Per all major Jafari jusrists, start of asr time is about 5 minutes after the time of sun passing through zenith, that time belongs exclusively to dhuhr prayer. Time for dhuhr and asr prayers overlap, but the dhuhr prayer must be offered before asr, except the time about 10 minutes before sunset, which is delegated exclusively to asr. In the case that the mentioned time is reached, asr prayer should be offered first (ada - on time) and dhuhr (kada - make up, late) prayer should be offered after asr.

Maghrib (sunset)Edit
Main article: Maghrib
The Maghrib prayer begins when the sun sets, and lasts till the red light has left the sky in the west.

Isha'a (night)Edit
Main article: Isha'a
The Isha'a prayer starts when the red light is gone from the western sky, and lasts until the rise of the "white light" (fajar sadiq) in the east. The preferred time for Isha'a is before midnight, meaning halfway between sunset and sunrise.

Sounds like something a nomadic society would come up with.
The times of prayer is flexible.

 

[Turdferguson]

Is that like I need to take a piss but I'm not required to?

Close.

 

[PT Car Washer]

I have read on here most areas don't give handlers breaks other than to use the restroom.

And if you do have to use the restroom during the sort you are criticized for perhaps having a medical condition or being childish. "Any adult should be able to hold it for a couple hours." Or "don't drink so many fluids before work". True story.

 

[MAKAVELI]

And if you do have to use the restroom during the sort you are criticized for perhaps having a medical condition or being childish. "Any adult should be able to hold it for a couple hours." Or "don't drink so many fluids before work". True story.

Tell them it's their choice. Either allow me to use the restroom or allow me to whip it out on the belt and allow me to relieve myself.

 

[brown bomber]

Why don't they allow Catholics (Christians ) to take off Good Friday,..just wondering

 

[olroadbeech]

as usual, there is more to this story.

 

[Indecisi0n]

I'm going to create a religion that requires a nap from 5:30pm-6:15pm everyday. As long as it's a religion UPS can't deny use that. Who's in?

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

as usual, there is more to this story.

Not really----we have a group of individuals trying to use their religious edicts to get out of work.

 

[trickpony1]

Not really----we have a group of individuals trying to use their religious edicts to get out of work.

......OR to establish themselves and exert control.

 

[over9five]

......OR to establish themselves and exert control.

They're just Muslims being Muslims!

 

[Boxslinger11]

......OR to establish themselves and exert control.

i want whatever you're smoking

 

[Operational needs]

......OR to establish themselves and exert control.

As much as what you said sounds like tin foil hat society material, I'm starting to think that too. They know they don't have the armed power to stop us. This is the only way they can. It's a slow process but can be very effective.

 

[MAKAVELI]

As much as what you said sounds like tin foil hat society material, I'm starting to think that too. They know they don't have the armed power to stop us. This is the only way they can. It's a slow process but can be very effective.

You're watching too much TV OP.

 

[Operational needs]

You're watching too much TV OP.

Lol. Possibly. Hopefully, I'm wrong.