Ralph Nader: We had an interview with Ted Postol, the expert on nuclear warfare, professor of
engineering at MIT, emeritus, and he said that this could rapidly spin out of control. That if you
put the nuclear weaponry on alert the way Putin did, and they only have radar ground technology
that can see that can see supposedly what's coming at them, they can make a mistake, as they did
a couple times. Luckily, the ground person decided not to give the retaliation signal. And the US
can determine any firing from any international ballistic missile anywhere in the world; it's more
advanced. And he says that this could lead to an accidental launch or the Russians seeing
something that isn't coming at them because of deficiency of their detection system. So this
could be a modern version World War I, the assassination of the grand duke in Sarajevo, leading
to a clash of egos of the monarchs of Russia, Germany, France, England, Austro-Hungarian
Empire. And you know how that turned out. So what do you think people in this country should
be doing?
Chris Hedges: Well, I've covered war, of course, and any time you open that Pandora's box of
war, you don't control it; it controls you. So you just look at the way the kind of bizarre situations
that we've maneuvered ourselves into in the Middle East. So there is this insane idea of arming
moderate rebels. Again, this comes from the neocons who, by the way, work in either
administration. Victoria Nuland was Cheney's chief foreign policy advisor, worked for Obama,
and now works for Biden. And her husband is Robert Kagan. It's kind of a family business. Fred
Kagan, is the one told us we better build up our military so we can fight both Russia and China.
These guys are just nuts. So you saw in Syria where we spent $500 million arming, quote-
unquote, "moderate" rebels, whatever they are. That creates the Caliphate; they decide to destroy
it, so they're bombing the forces Assad is attacking. They end up acting as Assad's de facto air
force. This is what happens in war. You just don't want to go there. And World War I is a good
analogy. Europe stumbled blindly into this suicidal slaughter. Nobody expected it; nobody
understood it. They were still kind of mentally locked in the 19th Century Haig. The field
marshal who led the British forces was convinced that his cavalry forces would deliver the
crowning defeat to the Germans in the age of machine guns and heavy artillery etc. So yeah, it's
very, very, very dangerous. You don't want to do this. The whole idea that they have dismissed
diplomacy and imposed draconian sanctions that are clearly designed to bring Putin down means
Putin is cornered. And you don't want to corner a nuclear superpower