The Russians Are Coming, The Russians Are Coming!
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Hedges: No Way Out but War
The permanent war economy, implanted since the end of World War II, has destroyed the private economy, bankrupted the nation, and squandered trillions of dollars of taxpayer money. The monopolization of capital by the military has driven the US debt to $30 trillion.
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this is what its about. its america vs china.
Name the countries we've taken over? I'm not talking about in the past. Even then we didn't come close to the European colonial powers. What countries are we controlling?
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You and Wilkerson:
(Russia invades Ukraine) ----------> "Durrrrrrrr! A Russian invasion into the west is suspect reasoning! Doiiiiii"
(NATO doesn't invade anyone) --------> "OMG, Russia is right to be really super duper worried about an invasion and should be allowed to invade whoever because of that worry!"
Your love for dictator daddy Putin doesn't mean Russia gets to declare anything going on in sovereign Ukraine a "rebellion".
you need to watch more wilkerson and learn from master
a rare truth teller high up in w bush admin. hallelujah brother!
Name the countries we've taken over? That we are controlling? Pretty lousy empire if we aren't in a country and controlling it.
when your overthrowing countries and installing US friendly dictators, thats control sherlock
deny deny denyyyyy
Name the countries that currently are under our control with U.S. friendly dictators we installed?
You been keeping up with Putin's "truth tellers" on the programming you're usually watching?
youi recall hearing this too about clinton:
ndrew Cockburn: Well, I'm saying it is first and foremost about money. And actually, when you talk to the military, war is nice particularly for defense contractors to show off their weapons. They're quite happy with the permanent state of tension, I believe, so there's a need, they can justify the need to get ever more money to buy ever more weapons. It's when you get idiots like Albright who, in administrations and like particularly this crew we've got now, my god, they almost make Madeleine Albright look smart. They're handed this machine and they think out of just share a responsibility, they do want to use it. I don't think the professionals are so interested in using it. But certainly, when you got this unholy marriage of the professional, deeply self-interested, and greedy military machine, military-industrial complex, and the political agenda of people like Bill Clinton. For example, in my book I talk a lot about the expansion of NATO, how it happened. And there were two main impulses for that in the '90s. One was the deep desire of the military-industrial complex, led by the Lockheed Martin Corporation to jack up spending again after the Soviet Union had inconveniently disappeared. So, they wanted to expand into Eastern Europe, create new markets and actually provoke Russia, which they did very well. But the other thing that really drove it was domestic politics, which I believe is what foreign policy is always about. And in this case, it was Bill Clinton who was assured by Zbigniew Brzezinski that he would lose the Polish vote in Milwaukee - and this literally happened - unless he said he was going to have Poland into NATO. So he went ahead, fine, who cares about breaking a promise to the Russians? Who cares about lighting the fuse for starting up a Cold War? Bill Clinton wanted to get reelected. It wasn't even that vital. What Brzezinski was telling him was BS. He didn't need to win the Polish vote in Milwaukee, which he probably would have won anyway. It was just like a little extra — let's make this extra little gesture just to sew up those few thousand votes. And that really set the trail for what this disaster we're in now with Ukraine.
ndrew Cockburn: Well, I'm saying it is first and foremost about money. And actually, when you talk to the military, war is nice particularly for defense contractors to show off their weapons. They're quite happy with the permanent state of tension, I believe, so there's a need, they can justify the need to get ever more money to buy ever more weapons. It's when you get idiots like Albright who, in administrations and like particularly this crew we've got now, my god, they almost make Madeleine Albright look smart. They're handed this machine and they think out of just share a responsibility, they do want to use it. I don't think the professionals are so interested in using it. But certainly, when you got this unholy marriage of the professional, deeply self-interested, and greedy military machine, military-industrial complex, and the political agenda of people like Bill Clinton. For example, in my book I talk a lot about the expansion of NATO, how it happened. And there were two main impulses for that in the '90s. One was the deep desire of the military-industrial complex, led by the Lockheed Martin Corporation to jack up spending again after the Soviet Union had inconveniently disappeared. So, they wanted to expand into Eastern Europe, create new markets and actually provoke Russia, which they did very well. But the other thing that really drove it was domestic politics, which I believe is what foreign policy is always about. And in this case, it was Bill Clinton who was assured by Zbigniew Brzezinski that he would lose the Polish vote in Milwaukee - and this literally happened - unless he said he was going to have Poland into NATO. So he went ahead, fine, who cares about breaking a promise to the Russians? Who cares about lighting the fuse for starting up a Cold War? Bill Clinton wanted to get reelected. It wasn't even that vital. What Brzezinski was telling him was BS. He didn't need to win the Polish vote in Milwaukee, which he probably would have won anyway. It was just like a little extra — let's make this extra little gesture just to sew up those few thousand votes. And that really set the trail for what this disaster we're in now with Ukraine.
LOL
And that one leaves out the US involvement in the Ukrainian coup d'etats in 2004 AND 2014.
Ukraine.
We're talking empire. Colonial powers invaded countries, took over and ran things themselves. Which is what Russia was attempting to do. Influencing countries with aid isn't the same thing and Zelensky is Ukraine's legitimate president. Name the countries, since we're an empire as rickyb likes to say, that we've invaded militarily and took over as our possession and ran it ourselves? That hasn't happened since the Philippines to my knowledge and we eventually gave them autonomy. If we're an empire please show me because I don't think we're very good at it if we are.
another symptom of empire is their citizens think theyre doing good around the world
another symptom of empire is collapsing infrastructure
another symptom of empire is late stage military folly
Symptoms of a greater structure that invades and takes over. By the way many of the countries we "meddled" in were during the Cold War when we were thwarting the Soviet Union which was also meddling and supporting Marxists insurgents. I guess you Marxists have never forgiven the U.S. for ultimately defeating the Soviet Union and preventing a worldwide Marxist state. The U.S. isn't totally innocent in their approach, and made huge mistakes supporting dictators in exchange for them keeping communists out of their countries. That often involved brutal suppression. It wasn't pretty, but war never is. As for Russia, the world should be advanced enough and civilized enough that it is no longer acceptable to invade others to take what they have. And that is what this is about. So when is it acceptable? The U.S. bombing Serbia to stop a genocide in Kosovo is a prime example of using military power for good. The genocide in Rwanda should.have never escalated to the level it did. The U.N. should've taken decisive action but failed. There are bad actors in the world that make militarys necessary. But hopefully someday militarys will be smaller and only defensive in nature. Not holding my breath.
Yea i think alot of usa interventions were about supressing democracy under the guise of anti communism. and keeping russia weak too perhaps.
No russia invaded bc of nato expansion and also bc of putins ego it sounds like. how long did america invade iraq and afghanistan for? i think the saudis are
ing up yemen now, which is supported by america. israel invaded palestine.Militaries will b more moral wen citizens demand it. If ppl constantly eat up propaganda and think militaries are a force for good, then the powerful countries will run wild.
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