BigGuy2732
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America is the communist country. Just without the monetary system.
The Russians Are Coming, The Russians Are Coming!
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americans are in debt, working
ty jobs or quite often no jobs, and cant afford housing and healthcare.Ralph Nader: Let's talk a little geographically. Chris, tell us the names of the countries on the
Russian border that have now joined NATO and they were asked to buy friend-16s, friend-15s, all kinds
of military-industrial complex goodies. What are some of the names of the countries?
Chris Hedges: Poland, Hungary, the Czech Republic, Bulgaria, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania,
Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Albania, Croatia, Montenegro and North Macedonia.
Ralph Nader: So they are now part of a military alliance that was created against the Soviet
Union. The Soviet Union collapsed in the 1990s. There was a great opportunity - which George
Kennan, the preeminent expert on Russian strategy - as a great opportunity to bring the Russian
people in. Yeltsin was there after Gorbachev. And it looks like the US blew it.
Chris Hedges: Well, they blew it . . . yes, they did from . . . it made no geopolitical sense. It
makes sense only if you're Raytheon and Lockheed Martin. Poland just signed a $6 billion deal
to buy M1 Abrams tanks. So, it made sense from commercial interests, but of course it was a
disaster in terms of geopolitical interests. But this is not uncommon. The whole reason we
perpetuated the war in Afghanistan. We know from the Afghan papers that were released by the
Washington Post that the policymakers and military leaders understood that this is a quagmire.
They weren't going to dominate Afghanistan. But the war kept perpetuating itself. It was also
true in Vietnam, as the Pentagon Papers revealed, because for these corporations, it's a very, very
lucrative business
Overpaid Union Thug
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You don’t care, yet, can’t stop rooting for him and explaining why you care.
@vantexan i found some1 else who needs to grow upYou don’t care, yet, can’t stop rooting for him and explaining why you care.
wilberforce15
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I'm trying to convince you all to stop caring. I do not root for him.You don’t care, yet, can’t stop rooting for him and explaining why you care.
And you're going to figure out how to give everyone great jobs with great pay and benefits and minimal hours. You live in a fantasy world. Isn't that your matrix?americans are in debt, working
yea we gotta get the straws out of our milkshakes.
when you are paying owners, that means theres less to go around for the workers. cut out the owners and shareholders and theres more for the workers.
How many poor men have ever given you a paycheck? And owners of companies have to compete for available workers. If one company is attracting workers in a given area with better pay and benefits then soon others will follow suit. And companies start up by selling shares. Where is your money coming from to start companies without that? Not talking about mom and pop operations. Real companies with many workers. But companies have a responsibility to their shareholders. If someone doesn't want to work in that system fine. Start up your own company and show us how it's done. Oh, wait, you want someone else to do all the hard work, risk their capital, just provide you with a great job. Go to school, get a skill, compete. That's the real world. Otherwise be thankful someone provides you a job.
no, whats happening is workers are producing value and the owners are extracting it.
no workers no work. but there would be jobs without bosses. i forget how they fund it maybe richard wolff, america's biggest marxist knows
poor men can own companies and give paychecks btw
Really, show me a poor man owned company?
What happens is owners risk their capital to lease buildings, buy equipment, hire managers, set up everything then bring in employees and train them. Employees don't just show up to an empty parking lot and pool their money together to do that. Please show me a Marxist nation that has been successful? It all falls apart because Marxists demand more capable people settle for less while doing more. It takes away their incentive to try.
italy has 30,000 coops
mondragon is 7th largest business in spain and is a partial coop.
america is finance capitalism which isnt about industry at all.
I'd be surprised if people in your friends circle did make a lot of money.
its usually by junk economics of private banks lending more and more money driving up housing prices.
wilberforce15
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Why not a worker-owned co-op?
If shareholders rape the employees, that's cool, because the employees are the shareholders. Whatever gets skimmed off their wages in profits gets returned to them in share value. If wages get too high and hurt share price, the workers get the wages that depressed the share price.
Win-win.
Nobody needs Wall Street.
And no need for a union. The employees own the thing.
Beware saying it's impossible. I can show you it has been done.
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Overpaid Union Thug
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Yet, you said you hope they don’t take any prisoners and have defended them at every opportunity.
wilberforce15
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I'm getting OldTimer's disease in my young age.Yet, you said you hope they don’t take any prisoners and have defended them at every opportunity.
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Would you remind me of where I said I hope they take no prisoners?
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