The Russians Are Coming, The Russians Are Coming!

Thebrownblob

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So Biden forced Putin to invade a neighboring country? Like Hussein forced the US to invade Iraq?
Putin chose to invade because I’m sure his intelligence told him he had no choice, much like you were dealing with proud, boastful men who don’t really care who they hurt as long as they get what they want.

And funny you should bring Iraq into this because that’s some more US intelligence that was a lie to create a war for no reason I’m sure you believe that too, because there’s no amount of propaganda a fool won’t believe
 
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Thebrownblob

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Biden knew Putin wanted tob invade Ukraine, and chose to make policy decisions that enabled Putin to do so.
Just as likely, as the United States is using Ukraine for its proxy war against Russia, China is on the other end setting up a whole network of countries to devalue the dollar, while the United States was foolishly put sanctions on, everybody, making the dollar less attractive. But what would you expect? We have a fool for a president who would be stupid enough to fall into a trap like this?
 

Thebrownblob

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Biden knew Putin wanted tob invade Ukraine, and chose to make policy decisions that enabled Putin to do so.
Yep and don’t forget we are sitting here arguing with a group of people who believed every bit of the Trump Russia collusion narrative they have no credibility. They are the most unintelligent easily manipulated propaganda whores you could ever imagine. Very little thought process goes into anything they believe they are told what to believe by the state media, and they carry out their orders dutifully.
 

oldngray

nowhere special
Yep and don’t forget we are sitting here arguing with a group of people who believed every bit of the Trump Russia collusion narrative they have no credibility. They are the most unintelligent easily manipulated propaganda whores you could ever imagine. Very little thought process goes into anything they believe they are told what to believe by the state media, and they carry out their orders dutifully.
They can never let go of a talking point no matter how many times it has been disproven.
 

vantexan

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So Biden forced Putin to invade a neighboring country? Like Hussein forced the US to invade Iraq?
Putin easily took Crimea which I think gave him a false sense of confidence on how invading the rest of Ukraine would go. If you're familiar you know the Soviets invaded Finland right before WWII and got their asses handed to them. The Finns had a plan and executed it well against a much larger invading force. With the fighting in the Donbas and after the taking of Crimea I think the Ukrainians knew they had to come up with strategies to repel an eventual Russian invasion. Keeping Ukraine out of NATO was a pretext. But no matter. We're playing a very dangerous game of chicken with a nuclear power.
 

Box Ox

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According to Peter Zeihan the guys in charge of Russia's defense ministry have siphoned off about 2/3rds of the funds intended for making weapons and ammunition for themselves. And that Russian casualties so far add up to most of the men sent into Ukraine. Just came out in a Pentagon leak that the head of the Wagner Group sought a secret deal with the Ukrainians to reveal locations of Russian troops. Looks like Russia isn't doing nearly as well as its supporters believe.

Zeihan is an intelligent guy. Knows Russia is at fault for the war in Ukraine.

 

vantexan

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Zeihan is an intelligent guy. Knows Russia is at fault for the war in Ukraine.

Watched that early this morning. For all you keeping score he's no conservative. Not an extreme liberal either. Very good at explaining how the world works. And he's especially good at explaining how demographics affect our future.
 

Thebrownblob

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Watched that early this morning. For all you keeping score he's no conservative. Not an extreme liberal either. Very good at explaining how the world works. And he's especially good at explaining how demographics affect our future.
 

PT Car Washer

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Any more of these Russian "victories" and The Ukraine will be marching into Moscow.
 

oldngray

nowhere special
Putin's media. The rest of the world is amazed at the Russian militaries ineptness.
Russian army has always been mostly conscripts. They throw a lot of bodies at the enemy and win by sheer numbers. There has never been any doubt about Russia eventually winning. Only how much it will cost them to do so.
 

Thebrownblob

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Russian army has always been mostly conscripts. They throw a lot of bodies at the enemy and win by sheer numbers. There has never been any doubt about Russia eventually winning. Only how much it will cost them to do so.
Russian army has always been mostly conscripts. They throw a lot of bodies at the enemy and win by sheer numbers. There has never been any doubt about Russia eventually winning. Only how much it will cost them to do so.
Don’t worry he’s really never read any history that’s why he makes some of the most ignorant comments you’ve ever heard on here.
 

vantexan

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Russian army has always been mostly conscripts. They throw a lot of bodies at the enemy and win by sheer numbers. There has never been any doubt about Russia eventually winning. Only how much it will cost them to do so.
But this is the biggest war for Russia since WWII. Bigger than Afghanistan and that had the full weight of the Soviet Union behind it. Russia's population is about a third of the Soviet Union's without the industrial might of the Soviet Union. And corruption has siphoned off a lot of the money intended for the Russian military. The Russians put in 400,000 men against millions of Ukrainian defenders. And got mauled. If we want to know how the war is truly going since both sides are going to make claims that likely can't be trusted, watch and see if Russia uses those tactical nukes or not. If they don't things are going well enough for them. If they do use them it's because Putin won't consider losing an option. His very life may depend on winning. So if they do use the small nukes it's because they've run out of options and don't care what the world thinks.
 

Thebrownblob

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But this is the biggest war for Russia since WWII. Bigger than Afghanistan and that had the full weight of the Soviet Union behind it. Russia's population is about a third of the Soviet Union's without the industrial might of the Soviet Union. And corruption has siphoned off a lot of the money intended for the Russian military. The Russians put in 400,000 men against millions of Ukrainian defenders. And got mauled. If we want to know how the war is truly going since both sides are going to make claims that likely can't be trusted, watch and see if Russia uses those tactical nukes or not. If they don't things are going well enough for them. If they do use them it's because Putin won't consider losing an option. His very life may depend on winning. So if they do use the small nukes it's because they've run out of options and don't care what the world thinks.
Russia is not going to use nukes. Whether things go bad or not.
At no point will Russia claim victory because there are no Victors here. These are too corrupt vile governments, controlling two countries that we don’t have any business in the middle of. Joe Biden is only there to cover his tracks. This is about as silly as us going to war in the Middle East to bring peace to nations that have been fighting each other for centuries, Ukraine and Russia have been doing something similar for hundreds of years. Russia is going to gain some territory. And then Ukraine will fight back for the next several decades. This is just more of the same in this region.
 

vantexan

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Russia is not going to use nukes. Whether things go bad or not.
At no point will Russia claim victory because there are no Victors here. These are too corrupt vile governments, controlling two countries that we don’t have any business in the middle of. Joe Biden is only there to cover his tracks. This is about as silly as us going to war in the Middle East to bring peace to nations that have been fighting each other for centuries, Ukraine and Russia have been doing something similar for hundreds of years. Russia is going to gain some territory. And then Ukraine will fight back for the next several decades. This is just more of the same in this region.
Russia is falling apart demographically. And the oil they have is in Siberia and has to be piped to refineries in Western Russia. The foreigners with the oil expertise to maintain their systems have all left. Russia is in a bad place. Don't count on desperate people to act rationally. But I hope they will be rational.
 

Thebrownblob

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Russia is falling apart demographically. And the oil they have is in Siberia and has to be piped to refineries in Western Russia. The foreigners with the oil expertise to maintain their systems have all left. Russia is in a bad place. Don't count on desperate people to act rationally. But I hope they will be rational.
They are acting desperately now, scenario you’re suggesting is not desperation that is suicidal. China and Russia feel they can take over the United States and get rid of the dollar. This is about that just as much as anything in Ukraine.
 
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