The war on drugs

Discussion in 'Current Events' started by 804brown, Dec 10, 2012.

  1. 804brown

    804brown Well-Known Member

    Drugs and the national security state:

  2. wkmac

    wkmac Well-Known Member

    Ever notice that when the US Gov't declares "war" on some contrived problem (and I used "contrived" deliberately) that the "problem" always gets worse? We announce the war and the creation of a gov't solution which creates a bureaucracy. The problem escalates and in response the gov't initiative escalates in size and scale. In return the problem grows greater and with it the gov't initiative to defeat it. The process all but takes on market growth characteristics and as it scales up in size in a sense becomes "too big to fail". But ever notice that in all these wars, we never win?

    If for example we ended the drug war today, what would be the cost to the arms industry who provides arms not only to the "good guys" but to the bad guys as well? What would the cost be to the privatized prison industrial economy or to the legal industrial industry? Who would pay those lawyers, judges, probation officers, prison guards, private food services contracts and other market forces that have grown out of the war on drugs? How about all the police forces that have grown and geared up for this war? How about the drug testing infrastructure that has been built up just so the majority of people who don't use drugs and likely never too can take a test to prove they don't thus shifting economic resources that could be used to build companies, add real market infrastructure and hire people are now shifted to make people rich by using fear as the market driver? When corp. America initiates a random drug test to an employee, who actually bares that cost at the end of the day? Other than to create a pure illusion, how am I really safer or benefited to know that the Home Depot employee who helped me load 2x4's is drug free and that the testing costs are embedded in the price of those 2x4's?

    On the flipside, would all these market forces above really want everyone to not use drugs ever again? What would happen if nobody used drugs at all? And besides, as they clamp down on "illegal" drugs, look at all the "legal" drugs that come into the marketplace to fill the gap. Is the war on drugs really about eliminating the competition for the benefit of crony, finance capitalism and to act as a police force to protect markets and from trade infringements?

    So I ask, what would happen were we to actually end the war of drugs?

    On the same subject, in 1985' NBC aired a program that within it had a 5 minute segment that told more truth but as a fictional storyline. Couple of years later we learned from the BCCI scandal how the Medellin Cartel for example was financed. Few years later, the late Gary Webb blew open the floodgates with his exposing of the CIA drug running in his Dark Alliance series in the San Jose Mercury. Here is the 5 minute scene NBC aired in 1985'.

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  3. wkmac

    wkmac Well-Known Member

    And the quiet side of the drug war or rather the judicial/prison industrial sector. In order to sustain and grow profits, would a larger or smaller prison population be important to that goal?
  4. rickyb

    rickyb Well-Known Member

    i dont really like vice its quite commercialized, but anyways i first heard about portugal decriminalizing all drugs in michael moores latest movie.

    Portugal’s Example: What Happened After It Decriminalized All Drugs, From Weed to Heroin | VICE News

    The rate of new HIV infections in Portugal has fallen precipitously since 2001, the year its law took effect, declining from 1,016 cases to only 56 in 2012. Overdose deaths decreased from 80 the year that decriminalization was enacted to only 16 in 2012. In the US, by comparison, more than 14,000 people died in 2014 from prescription opioid overdoses alone. Portugal's current drug-induced death rate, three per million residents, is more than five times lower than the European Union's average of 17.3, according to EU figures.

    drug use has fallen over the past 15 years and now ebbs and flows within overall trends in Europe. Portuguese officials estimate that by the late 1990s roughly one percent of Portugal's population, around 100,000 people, were heroin users. Today, "we estimate that we have 50,000, most of them under substitution treatment,"
  5. Baba gounj

    Baba gounj pensioner

    Suspected Illegal Alien Marijuana Farmers Held Workers Hostage

    Three brothers were taken to hospitals this week after they and a fourth brother say they barely escaped death at the hands of abductors, possibly connected to Mexican cartels, who beat and forced them to work on a marijuana farm in Northern California from February to July.

    A search warrant executed near Bald Mountain Rd. the next day uncovered 23 thousand marijuana plants valued as high as $60 million dollars. As the search warrant was carried out, a Hispanic male was seen fleeing the scene. Investigators found a backpack along the same trail the male fled on, and found a handgun inside. No arrests were made during the search of that location.

    In the weeks that followed, several other search warrants were executed in Stanislaus County. Arrest warrants were issued for suspects. The District Attorney’s office is considering further charges against additional known suspects.

    Arellano, 43, and Medarda Urbieta, 44, were taken into custody on September 14 in Modesto and charged with human trafficking, kidnapping, battery with serious bodily injury, terrorist threats and drug related charges, according to NBC2 local news. The women appeared in court in San Andreas, California, but did not enter pleas.

    Calaveras County Sheriff’s Captain Jim Macedo said the women are believed to be in the United States illegally, according to the report.
  6. burrheadd

    burrheadd Be The Ball

    Time to build that wall!
  7. rickyb

    rickyb Well-Known Member

    greece should build a wall from the banksters.