trump 2016

[newfie]

if you have a choice between which dictator treats you the best, what kind of choice is that? or what kind of choice would it be to choose between slave masters, or feudal lords?

same thing, but each has a different internal structure. so does capitalism or worker run cooperatives.

which slave master or feudal lord do you belong to?

 

[newfie]

historically there was private slave masters,

historically yes. what does that have to do with the point you answered which is that you have the right and ability to switch employers under the current system of capitalism.

 

[rickyb]

i was suggesting to oldngray that since there was private slavery, and government run slavery... then theres private capitalist jobs, and government run capitalist jobs.

lets say you can choose which country you want to live in, and they are all dictatorships, and you can leave at any time for another dictatorship. im asking what kind of freedom is that?

 

[newfie]

i was suggesting to oldngray that since there was private slavery, and government run slavery... then theres private capitalist jobs, and government run capitalist jobs.

lets say you can choose which country you want to live in, and they are all dictatorships, and you can leave at any time for another dictatorship. im asking what kind of freedom is that?

when has there ever been government run slavery?

 

[bottomups]

when has there ever been government run slavery?

Nazis used slave labor for years.

 

[rickyb]

when has there ever been government run slavery?

throughout history, but to bring it home prison slave labor is legal and still exists in america.

 

[oldngray]

throughout history, but to bring it home prison slave labor is legal and still exists in america.

Nope. Prisoners are paid for work they do. And they are incarcerated because of their own actions.

 

[rickyb]

Nope. Prisoners are paid for work they do. And they are incarcerated because of their own actions.

"Only a few hundred of Alabama’s 26,200 prisoners—the system is designed to hold only 13,130 people—are paid to work; they get 17 to 71 cents an hour. The rest are slaves."

 

[oldngray]

"Only a few hundred of Alabama’s 26,200 prisoners—the system is designed to hold only 13,130 people—are paid to work; they get 17 to 71 cents an hour. The rest are slaves."

Nope. None of them are "slaves".

 

[rickyb]

Nope. None of them are "slaves".

ok LOL. if the government isnt paying them to work, you tell me what that is lol.

and what does the 14th amendment of the constitution say again lol?

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

ok LOL. if the government isnt paying them to work, you tell me what that is lol.

and what does the 14th amendment of the constitution say again lol?

It's worth 22 cents in Canada.

 

[oldngray]

ok LOL. if the government isnt paying them to work, you tell me what that is lol.

and what does the 14th amendment of the constitution say again lol?

They put themselves into prison by committing crimes. Any wages they get while they are getting free housing and healthcare are irrelevant. Nothing do do with slavery in any way.

 

[newfie]

Nazis used slave labor for years.

ok can we stay in the same country we live in?

 

[newfie]

throughout history, but to bring it home prison slave labor is legal and still exists in america.

and how does that devalue the present system of capitalism or keep you from moving employers if you so choose?

 

[newfie]

ok LOL. if the government isnt paying them to work, you tell me what that is lol.

and what does the 14th amendment of the constitution say again lol?

criminals who committed a crime.

 

[newfie]

historically there was private slave masters, and government run slave masters. there was private capitalism, and government run capitalism.

and back to your previous point , If your argument is that these prisons are forms of private capitalism then you don't understand capitalism.

 

[rickyb]

and how does that devalue the present system of capitalism or keep you from moving employers if you so choose?

well the prison slave labor in america is an example about government run slavery. and i am saying if that is true, then theres also government run capitalism and private run capitalism.

well you can still leave one capitalist for another capitalist. which brings me back to the question of:
lets say you can choose which country you want to live in, and they are all dictatorships, and you can leave at any time for another dictatorship. im asking what kind of freedom is that?

 

[rickyb]

They put themselves into prison by committing crimes. Any wages they get while they are getting free housing and healthcare are irrelevant. Nothing do do with slavery in any way.

during private slavery in america, did the slave masters not house their slaves? and is that justification for slavery?

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

during private slavery in america, did the slave masters not house their slaves? and is that justification for slavery?

Ask their brothers who sold them to us.

 

[oldngray]

during private slavery in america, did the slave masters not house their slaves? and is that justification for slavery?

Prisons are not slavery so there is no issue of justification.