Turnover

[vantexan]

Businesses have been making huge profits. Where's the reinvestment?

Do you not invest in trucks, etc? We aren't just talking about the biggest corporations but ok, look at FedEx. If FedEx had to shell out a billion or more for carbon credits will employees see raises? Might as well shut this forum down because you can't complain about not getting money that isn't there. But you can be comforted to know that all your hard work is helping to put money into the hands of those who didn't earn it.

 

[bbsam]

Where have you been? Raises aren't coming whether there's a carbon tax or not. Companies invest in technology and equipment because there are huge tax incentives. Raises come with tax burdens. Part of the reason DRA will be made to work.

 

[vantexan]

Where have you been? Raises aren't coming whether there's a carbon tax or not. Companies invest in technology and equipment because there are huge tax incentives. Raises come with tax burdens. Part of the reason DRA will be made to work.

And raises will never come if companies are burdened with carbon credit purchases. Do you really support taking away from producers and giving it to those who haven't earned it? Seriously? And apparently if electric bills triple or more, or gas goes through the roof, you are fine with that too?

 

[bbsam]

And raises will never come if companies are burdened with carbon credit purchases. Do you really support taking away from producers and giving it to those who haven't earned it? Seriously? And apparently if electric bills triple or more, or gas goes through the roof, you are fine with that too?

more scare tactics. If you look into the tax credit system, you'd find it's incredibly flexible and many of the goals set are in the direction states are going anywhere. And yes, I'm all for taking money and giving it to those who "haven't earned" it because the system is screwed anyway. I find it hard not to see much of that money as more corporate giveaways. Those payments allow companies like Fedex and WalMart to screw workers and the government doing what little they will do is fine until they get serious.

 

[vantexan]

more scare tactics. If you look into the tax credit system, you'd find it's incredibly flexible and many of the goals set are in the direction states are going anywhere. And yes, I'm all for taking money and giving it to those who "haven't earned" it because the system is screwed anyway. I find it hard not to see much of that money as more corporate giveaways. Those payments allow companies like Fedex and WalMart to screw workers and the government doing what little they will do is fine until they get serious.

Again, the stated goal of cap-and-trade is to wean us off fossil fuels. There is no viable alternative to oil in sight. Again, are you fine with the average person's fuel and electric costs going up hundreds a month? With no raises in sight? If you want to give away other people's money(but not your own apparently), then let them earn it. Let them show up every day for highway clean up. Find busy work for them. No one should collect free money they didn't earn without doing something useful in return. 8 hrs a day, Monday through Friday. And they shouldn't be paid more than minimum wage for it either. If you are going to just take away from others, then let's see something for the money.

 

[bbsam]

We aren't getting off fossil fuel anytime soon nut that's no reason not to convert to cheaper, cleaner natural gas for electric generation. You really need to remember the banking CEO after the crisis broke. They really had the nerve to blame government for their own foolish greed. Same goes for every big business. They look quarterly and when government looks at a longer term strategy, we hear about the killing off of business and the spikes in energy etc. The economy isn't that fragile.

 

[MrFedEx]

It's because you oversimplify everything. All Republicans bad. All Democrats good. A few years back many people came together because they were concerned about runaway spending. Many seniors, and they were the biggest segment, were concerned about losing Medicare and Social Security. I've seen average folk, concerned for their future, totally vilified in the worst imaginable language by people like you. Just for exercising their constitutional right to protest. A lot of those people are registered Republicans. They might have been Democrats but don't agree with certain social issues. But they do believe hard work, not government dependence, is the way to go. And they don't like what they see happening to working class people by their fellow Republicans. Smear them all you will, I'll take their side every time over the idea that big government and intrusive control of our lives is the way to go.

You're talking about my own parents, van. I get the urgent emails all the time telling me how Obama is going to kill them, how he's a Muslim etc. Yet they happily partake of Medicare and Social Security, complaining all the while about government entitlements. My Dad insists Obama wants a third term and will have the laws changed so we'll become a Socialist nation, and also thinks Putin is kicking him around like a rag doll.

FOX is going all day long in Mom and Dad's house, and Dad never misses O'Reilly. They aren't Tea Partiers, but they're close. Because I love my parents, I keep my political opinions to myself and just listen. They're old enough to have an excuse. You aren't.

 

[vantexan]

You're talking about my own parents, van. I get the urgent emails all the time telling me how Obama is going to kill them, how he's a Muslim etc. Yet they happily partake of Medicare and Social Security, complaining all the while about government entitlements. My Dad insists Obama wants a third term and will have the laws changed so we'll become a Socialist nation, and also thinks Putin is kicking him around like a rag doll.

FOX is going all day long in Mom and Dad's house, and Dad never misses O'Reilly. They aren't Tea Partiers, but they're close. Because I love my parents, I keep my political opinions to myself and just listen. They're old enough to have an excuse. You aren't.

You are putting the most extreme views on all Tea Partiers. It's about runaway spending, and when it all comes crashing down you'll most likely blame Bush.

 

[MrFedEx]

more scare tactics. If you look into the tax credit system, you'd find it's incredibly flexible and many of the goals set are in the direction states are going anywhere. And yes, I'm all for taking money and giving it to those who "haven't earned" it because the system is screwed anyway. I find it hard not to see much of that money as more corporate giveaways. Those payments allow companies like Fedex and WalMart to screw workers and the government doing what little they will do is fine until they get serious.

Your corporate heroes have been screwing you blind while they rake in the cash....and you still support them and their song and dance about how Obama is screwing business. The Dow is at almost 17,000 if you haven't noticed, so they've got the money you're talking about. Why reinvest it when you can get away with paying workers peanuts while simultaneously pleading poverty and oppressive government regulations? You are really lost, bro.

 

[MrFedEx]

You are putting the most extreme views on all Tea Partiers. It's about runaway spending, and when it all comes crashing down you'll most likely blame Bush.

Right from the FOX teleprompter.

 

[bbsam]

Your corporate heroes have been screwing you blind while they rake in the cash....and you still support them and their song and dance about how Obama is screwing business. The Dow is at almost 17,000 if you haven't noticed, so they've got the money you're talking about. Why reinvest it when you can get away with paying workers peanuts while simultaneously pleading poverty and oppressive government regulations? You are really lost, bro.

you're the one lost. I've been making the same points you have.

 

[overflowed]

you're the one lost. I've been making the same points you have.

What do you think of a 15 dollar minimum wage Sammy? I'm not just saying you but what say you all on this topic? I know Van will say this will bankrupt the US and all that but I don't think it will.

 

[MrFedEx]

you're the one lost. I've been making the same points you have.

Except you're part of the $12 per hour crowd. Wouldn't that make you something of a hypocrite in that you decry a Corporate America that won't pay a living wage, and you're right in the middle of it at Ground, the poster child for exploitation.

 

[MrFedEx]

What do you think of a 15 dollar minimum wage Sammy? I'm not just saying you but what say you all on this topic? I know Van will say this will bankrupt the US and all that but I don't think it will.

It's a Communist conspiracy to pay a living wage.

 

[vantexan]

We aren't getting off fossil fuel anytime soon nut that's no reason not to convert to cheaper, cleaner natural gas for electric generation. You really need to remember the banking CEO after the crisis broke. They really had the nerve to blame government for their own foolish greed. Same goes for every big business. They look quarterly and when government looks at a longer term strategy, we hear about the killing off of business and the spikes in energy etc. The economy isn't that fragile.

And yet the environmentalists don't want natural gas or any other fossil fuel used. Cap-and-trade is designed to get us off fossil fuels completely. The economy is fragile, and forcing average Americans to pay much more for gas, electric, and don't forget healthcare will leave very little to spend elsewhere. You are just flat out advocating taking from those who produce to those who don't. And don't care what happens to the average American who already has trouble making ends meet.

 

[vantexan]

What do you think of a 15 dollar minimum wage Sammy? I'm not just saying you but what say you all on this topic? I know Van will say this will bankrupt the US and all that but I don't think it will.

I think if people are earning $15hr they should get paid it. Afterall that money goes right back into the economy. I'm all for big corporations paying better even if it means that they make less profit and corporate exec's have to settle for a generous salary. But I want it to go to the people who do the work, not sent off to a new "company" in exchange for carbon credits, to people who exploit a loophole and don't contribute anything productive to the economy. How anyone can advocate that, at employees' expense, is beyond me.

 

[vantexan]

Right from the FOX teleprompter.

Nope, the reality of your past posts.

 

[overflowed]

I think if people are earning $15hr they should get paid it. Afterall that money goes right back into the economy. I'm all for big corporations paying better even if it means that they make less profit and corporate exec's have to settle for a generous salary. But I want it to go to the people who do the work, not sent off to a new "company" in exchange for carbon credits, to people who exploit a loophole and don't contribute anything productive to the economy. How anyone can advocate that, at employees' expense, is beyond me.

I agree with you.

 

[bbsam]

Except you're part of the $12 per hour crowd. Wouldn't that make you something of a hypocrite in that you decry a Corporate America that won't pay a living wage, and you're right in the middle of it at Ground, the poster child for exploitation.

We do what we can.

 

[59 Dano]

So in a deliberate attempt to bring back a.criminal, the United States lost several men. Isn't that to be expected in war?

Yep. Since no one seems to care about the cost of this type of action, why not free every terrorist in the world? If we're stupid enough to free 5 dangerous people for this guy, why not free them all?

Can't really hang those deaths on Bergdahl.

I didn't go that far. Bergdahl didn't broker the deal.