Unethical Tactics Management Uses to Retaliate Against and Harass Drivers

[browned out]

Ok. We'll take this at face value....

You have recorded evidence of all this?

You are talking about a vast conspiracy with legal consequences.....

With all this going on, shouldn't be too hard record.

Salting a drivers cooler? Really? If me, I would have stopped right there(when discovered) and called the police....see?

Here, I said, HERE, management was too lazy to attempt ANY of these stunts. Exam:

Seriously hurt my back one day in P/C before I went to feeders. Called and said I was at last pickup and had 20-30 resi stops left. I can drive but not walk. Here's two choices: I will drive back to building NOW and you find someone else to run these stops or you can send someone out to ride and run and I drive. Which?

They sent Supe. Overweight, flabby, etc. All stops were in ritzy area with 1 or 2 house per block. Of course, nobody home. He started out running and came back with parcel in hand. I said you have to go two more houses, don't you, as per UPS standards for indirect (no release in those days....all signature with a few exceptions). He sighed and did for a few stops. That ended quickly. Standards went out the window that day. He said if you won't tell, I won't tell from now on. Agreed and we had great working relationship from then on.

He went on to become center manager and, I think, region manager later when I was in feeders.

So, here, could they even have attempted HALF of these offenses? No.

We have had great on car supervisors and great managers here. Management and hourly actually had a mutual respect for each other. It was mutually beneficial to all. Drivers would go out of their way to work with mgmt. to ensure our center was running like a well oiled machine. Management would go out of their way to work with drivers for days off, etc. Mgmt listened to drivers suggestions. Currently we have great on car supervisors. They know what they are doing. Definitely not pushovers but they are not the retaliatory, dishonest, discriminatory, unethical, workplace violence inflicting types.

My point is that the unethical tactics listed above are the tools of choice for "some" in management at UPS. Some in management do get caught and their behavior is corrected thru demotion or counseling.

If you don't think some in management utilize these tactics; you are nieve. New drivers or drivers with targets on their backs should be aware.

 

[BigUnionGuy]

We have had great on car supervisors and great managers here. Management and hourly actually had a mutual respect for each other. It was mutually beneficial to all. Drivers would go out of their way to work with mgmt. to ensure our center was running like a well oiled machine. Management would go out of their way to work with drivers for days off, etc. Mgmt listened to drivers suggestions. Currently we have great on car supervisors. They know what they are doing.

Wait.... what ?

Now UPS management is acceptable in Local 243 Detroit ?


You have maintained for years, UPS and Local 243 were in cahoots and both suck ?

Blabbering on about "charges".... you never filed.

This is where we are at.... with your UPS conspiracy theories.






-Bug-

 

[browned out]

The sky is falling.... again.


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And (as always) none of them have happened to you.



I guess you can rip off that phase now. His website is inactive.



As many times as you have posted it....

Local 243 in Detroit Mi.


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Wait.... what ?

Now UPS management is acceptable in Local 243 Detroit ?


You have maintained for years, UPS and Local 243 were in cahoots and both suck ?

Blabbering on about "charges".... you never filed.


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This is where we are at.... with your UPS conspiracy theories.






-Bug-

 

[browned out]

Awww

Are you still sad your Hoffa slap dicks got crushed in the election? It will be OK. Maybe someone needs a hug or a binky?

NLRB Charges were filed. It did not work out in the members favor.

243 is still a company controlled local. 243 is totally useless. The only reasons I am still employed at UPS is the DOL and Federal OSHA actually did their job. Many others have lost their jobs because of 243s improper relationship with UPS management.

Decent management individuals have always been present in metro detroit. This post is not about them

I am sure you have been in hearings (hopefully not working with UPS) where teamsters have been discharged by UPS using the above unethical tactics.

Maybe you could share some experiences that actually relate to this post to help out our union brothers and sisters.

 

[Commercial Inside Release]

I'm interested in this thread, and so are others.
If you piss off a manager, they actually put their heads together in their comfy offices, and plan out a way to screw you. Meanwhile, you are -deep in snow for 12hrs wrestling DIAD 6, while a hungry pitbull chases you around the truck.

 

[UnionStrong]

I'm interested in this thread, and so are others.
If you piss off a manager, they actually put their heads together in their comfy offices, and plan out a way to screw you. Meanwhile, you are -deep in snow for 12hrs wrestling DIAD 6, while a hungry pitbull chases you around the truck.

They can be a vindictive lot.

 

[Shift Inhibit]

Where the hell do you work?

Narnia

 

[MyTripisCut]

I could care less if someone put something in my lunch box. But around and find out if you try to take one of my 3 meals or 4 snacks. That's a fight on sight.

I shake up my co workers sodas in the summer so they get attacked by bees!

 

[Yeet]

I could care less if someone put something in my lunch box. But around and find out if you try to take one of my 3 meals or 4 snacks. That's a fight on sight.

There are 3 things you never mess with when it comes to a feeder driver. His breakfast, lunch, and dinner.

 

[542thruNthru]

I shake up my co workers sodas in the summer so they get attacked by bees!

 

[browned out]

I'm interested in this thread, and so are others.
If you piss off a manager, they actually put their heads together in their comfy offices, and plan out a way to screw you. Meanwhile, you are -deep in snow for 12hrs wrestling DIAD 6, while a hungry pitbull chases you around the truck.

It is usually the center manager that is the bully. She/he attempts to intimidate employees. She/he lacks integrity, retaliates, discriminates and possess the sick desire to inflict workplace violence on hard working UPS employees.

The lower level supervisors just fall in line. Center managers have humiliated on car supervisors in front of 40+ drivers in PCMs.
It's appalling.

Numerous on car supervisors' management styles have drastically changed to accommodate and mesh with different managers styles. They are going along to get along. We have had at least 5 center managers in the last 20 years that had major bullying issues and instilled fear among most employees and supervisors.

 

[Overpaid Union Thug]

This topic was most likely already addressed numerous times on the BC. I think it deserves to be pinned at the top of the forum.

Here are some of the dishonest tactics management resorts to when they want to discipline or discharge a package car driver. This list is in no way comprehensive. Please add your own tales of management dishonesty, retaliation and workplace violence.

1. Management placed a customer's prescription drug package inside a driver's cooler while on a safety ride.

2. Management in our center has stacked business packages against the wall of the truck in the rear of the truck. These packages were literally stacked like decks of cards on top of one another the long way. Management then jammed/wedged a giant package between the floor and the shelf in front of these packages. The package literally could not be moved by one person. The package was crushed into place so it could not be moved. These packages were missed. I am not aware of any preloader hiding business packages behind a giant resi misload.

3. In an attempt to make it appear a driver is padding their miles and stealing time; management has removed package(s) from the car in the AM. The driver searches and searches for these packages, especially if they are in an extended area. The driver can not find the packages because they are not on the car. Later in the day when that package car driver is away from the car delivering inside apartments, eating lunch in a restaurant, etc; the unethical, retaliatory supervisor opens the back door and fires the missing packages back into the car without the driver's knowledge.

4. This is a new one to our center. A driver asked for some pickups to be covered. Normal procedure is just hit accept the cancel and that is it. One of the drivers pick ups to be cancelled was the UPS store close out pick up. But for some reason; there was a message attached to the cancel. It read 'we have had someone else sweep the UPS store pick up but YOU STILL NEED TO CLOSE IT OUT.' And the pick up was pulled from that drivers board. The driver caught this and asked his/her management team for clarification as they had received conflicting instructions. The pick up was no longer in their board but they were directed to close it out by a message attached to the cancel accept.

5. Management has placed NDA packages on drivers' cars after the driver has returned in the PM and then attempted to prove the package was on the car all day.

6. Management has placed/hidden 10 or more very small parcels not in EDD in package cars.

7. Management has forced/coerced drivers under duress to write false statements targeting other drivers.

8. Management has literally walked on the heels of a driver's shoes in an attempt to intimate that driver into walking faster.

9. Management has fabricated what they saw on entire on area observations and disciplined drivers based on these lies.

A comprehensive list of unethical, retaliatory management tactics is essential to protect all drivers that mgmt. wants to get rid off. We have to stick together. Make a safety concern known: Some or all of the above tactics may be coming your way. The same thing with an ethical or harassment complaint.believe everything on that list as possible. I have seen much of it. Don’t listen to the Jerk knuckleheads giving you a hard time about posting it. They must work in the “BOG.”

In a place where the Dark Side of Brown is preeminent. It is not everyone in supervision. But it has been an epidemic in this area. It is also a very company controlled Hoffaland Union here. The Union and the Company work together to get rid of drivers that file too many grievances, address safety concerns or expose ethical concerns. Discipline and Discharges based off of these lies and retaliatory management actions often stand at the State Panel level.

This is all true. And many of us could add more to it. Don’t listen to those that doubt it. They simply haven’t seen most of it yet. Or work in “The BOG.”

I’ve been a victim of a few of those tactics. Some of my coworkers have too. I know, or know of, drivers in other centers that have experienced the rest. But a perfect example of management and the union conspiring against an hourly was back in 2014 when RA (initials instead of full name) was fired.

 

[BrownStains]

243 is still a company controlled local. 243 is totally useless. The only reasons I am still employed at UPS is the DOL and Federal OSHA actually did their job. Many others have lost their jobs because of 243s improper relationship with UPS management.

Decent management individuals have always been present in metro detroit. This post is not about them

Are they good management if decent good people lost their jobs over improper union management relations?

 

[El Correcto]

This topic was most likely already addressed numerous times on the BC. I think it deserves to be pinned at the top of the forum.

Here are some of the dishonest tactics management resorts to when they want to discipline or discharge a package car driver. This list is in no way comprehensive. Please add your own tales of management dishonesty, retaliation and workplace violence.

1. Management placed a customer's prescription drug package inside a driver's cooler while on a safety ride.

2. Management in our center has stacked business packages against the wall of the truck in the rear of the truck. These packages were literally stacked like decks of cards on top of one another the long way. Management then jammed/wedged a giant package between the floor and the shelf in front of these packages. The package literally could not be moved by one person. The package was crushed into place so it could not be moved. These packages were missed. I am not aware of any preloader hiding business packages behind a giant resi misload.

3. In an attempt to make it appear a driver is padding their miles and stealing time; management has removed package(s) from the car in the AM. The driver searches and searches for these packages, especially if they are in an extended area. The driver can not find the packages because they are not on the car. Later in the day when that package car driver is away from the car delivering inside apartments, eating lunch in a restaurant, etc; the unethical, retaliatory supervisor opens the back door and fires the missing packages back into the car without the driver's knowledge.

4. This is a new one to our center. A driver asked for some pickups to be covered. Normal procedure is just hit accept the cancel and that is it. One of the drivers pick ups to be cancelled was the UPS store close out pick up. But for some reason; there was a message attached to the cancel. It read 'we have had someone else sweep the UPS store pick up but YOU STILL NEED TO CLOSE IT OUT.' And the pick up was pulled from that drivers board. The driver caught this and asked his/her management team for clarification as they had received conflicting instructions. The pick up was no longer in their board but they were directed to close it out by a message attached to the cancel accept.

5. Management has placed NDA packages on drivers' cars after the driver has returned in the PM and then attempted to prove the package was on the car all day.

6. Management has placed/hidden 10 or more very small parcels not in EDD in package cars.

7. Management has forced/coerced drivers under duress to write false statements targeting other drivers.

8. Management has literally walked on the heels of a driver's shoes in an attempt to intimate that driver into walking faster.

9. Management has fabricated what they saw on entire on area observations and disciplined drivers based on these lies.

A comprehensive list of unethical, retaliatory management tactics is essential to protect all drivers that mgmt. wants to get rid off. We have to stick together. Make a safety concern known: Some or all of the above tactics may be coming your way. The same thing with an ethical or harassment complaint.

Heard something similar to 3 a manger out a misload into a driver’s pick up volume and attempted to fire them for rolling it later.
8 and 9 happened to me my entire first year driving, they would literally tell me they had to find something wrong with me in their observation or their bosses would get mad when they got called out on it. 9 was just a prick.

6 happened here because our old center manager would “salt” the driver’s package car. It got put to an end after he admitted to us he was doing it.

The type of these people do is outrageously stupid at times and usually gets them paddled when enough drivers get fed up with them and call the local on it.

 

[raceanoncr]

If you piss off a manager, they actually put their heads together in their comfy offices, and plan out a way to screw you. Meanwhile, you are -deep in snow for 12hrs wrestling DIAD 6, while a hungry pitbull chases you around the truck.

Almost had that happen here, and, again, I said, HERE.
When on Sleepers, they tried screwing with us locally. Well, we "regulated" them to death, even quoting DOT/UPS regulations on our work sheet for any delay action that we took.
Center manager took me aside (I was "A" driver) and said, "We know you're following regulations but could you back off a little bit?" Me: "What do you want us to skip?" Silence. Pressure vanished.

 

[BigUnionGuy]

Maybe you could share some experiences that actually relate to this post to help out our union brothers and sisters.

You can only "cry wolf" so many times....

 

[Karma...]

its all fun and games at this point.....remember it may not happen any time soon but some day you will need some leeway and you will not get it from either the firm or union.....no one is perfect..not even you......dont be a Karen ....you were poorly coached.......

 

[BigUnionGuy]

its all fun and games at this point.....remember it may not happen any time soon but some day you will need some leeway and you will not get it from either the firm or union.....no one is perfect..not even you......dont be a Karen ....you were poorly coached.......

....Ok.... @quad decade guy....

 

[MECH-lift]

I just manned up and told my supervisors if they me I’ll them right back with OT so don’t over dispatch me... I HAVE NO PROBLEM WORKING TILL 11 at NIGHT TO PROVE A POINT. RPCD STYLE

 

[MECH-lift]

6. Management has placed/hidden 10 or more very small parcels not in EDD in package cars.

sounds like I’ll be sending those all in as misloads and making his ass come get them ....is it really that hard?