United Way Challenge

Discussion in 'UPS Discussions' started by Thorn, Jul 13, 2008.

  1. Thorn

    Thorn New Member

    This week was the official kickoff for the United Way drive in my building.

    I would like to challenge all division managers and above to put your money where your mouth is.

    I would challenge each of you to work each area of the operation and go out and prove that you can do the job to standard that you say we should be able to do. Lead by example.

    Since I'm a driver, I won't speak for other operations. They can issue their
    own challenges based on their standards.

    My challenge is for a division manager or higher take a planned 9.5 day and run scratch on my route using all methods, not be over 9.5, take your full hour lunch, observe and obey all speed limit and stop signs, have no customer complaints, deliver all packages and turn in at least 1 sold sales lead. I would ride with you to show the delivery and pickup points and to play with the PDA that the on-car sups use on my production rides. You have a week to run scratch. If you do, then I donate my gross paycheck for that week of riding with you to United Way.

    If you can't at the least run scratch, I keep my paycheck as hours worked, but I will still donate $500 because at least you showed an effort.

    And..., you agree to a new bonafide time study on my area.

    If you choose to not take my challenge, then I donate what I always donate which is $0.

    Issue this challenge from Corporate at monday's PCM, and I will be the first to accept (except?) it.

    Any takers?
  2. tieguy

    tieguy Banned

    Thorn I don't want your money. And I hope you don't give it. If you give anything to united way then the giving would be tainted.

    Give to a charitable cause because you believe its the right thing to do.
    Give because you feel you should help your community.

    Don't give because you gambled and lost a bet.
  3. Thorn

    Thorn New Member

    Cop out.
  4. But Benefits Are Great!

    But Benefits Are Great! Just Words On A Screen

    This is going to anger some people, but I really have to understand this -

    Does someone at United Way have pictures of a UPS executive naked with a farm animal or something?

    UPS should be concerned with UPS. UPS takes too much time & energy with these fund raiser charity drives.

    If corporate decides to donate a portion of profits to a charity, good for them.

    I as an individual donate where, what, and when I want.

    United Way sales drives piss me off. I would venture to say it pisses many people off.

    If anything, it turns me away from United Way.

    In our shop, the entire parking lot close to the enterance has reserved parking spaces for the larger UW contributors. Us lowlifes that don't have a reserved spot have to walk a 1/4 mile to get into work. Sorry, that is stupid, it sucks, and is counter productive.

    Charity is anonymous, charity is quiet, charity is not so you get a parking spot, charity is not for recognition. United Way has, at UPS, gone against all of these principles.
  5. trickpony1

    trickpony1 Well-Known Member

    I am aware of another hub that does the same thing.
    Some people believe that a donation is a donation. Nothing should be expected in return for said donation.
    Some people believe that once the IRS finds out that donations are being made to the UW and something (parking spot) is being given in return as well as the donation being considered a "deduction" then this coercive crap will stop.
    But then the company will probably say, ".....oh but....Sir....Mr. IRS....we didn't know".
  6. UpstateNYUPSer

    UpstateNYUPSer Very proud grandfather.

    Here in Upstate NY the district runs an annual United Way fundraiser. It is a silent auction for 4 ticket packages to 4 different sports, to include the Buffalo Bills, Syracuse Orangemen (2 sports) and NASCAR at Watkins Glen. I did not participate this year but last year I was high bidder on both the football and basketball packages for the Syracuse Orangemen. UPS has 2 season tickets for the Orangemen and simply auctions these off. The amount of the bid less the amount of the tickets (value of the item donated) can then be deducted as a charitable donation. This is in addition to my weekly payroll deduction, which I also write off of my taxes. In our center a banner is made showing all of the high givers and is displayed all year.

    I like the fundraisers as it does provide an incentive to those who may not normally donate to participate.

    BBAG made some excellent points but I counter by saying that incentives, such as a prime parking spot, can be very helpful in trying to raise funds for a charity. The value of such incentives are subtracted from the donation amount for tax purposes.

    I prefer United Way in that it allows me to help an organization by giving them the funds that they need to perform their charitable work and allows me to do this on a weekly basis as I do not have the liquidity to write a check of this amount on a one-time basis.

    BTW, why do you think most larger centers do the parking space fundraiser? Well, as BBAG so eloquently put, "us lowlifes that don't have a reserved spot have to walk 1/4 mile to get in to work..." Now, before people say that you would be basically buying a parking space (which, of course, you would be) you are helping a charity while giving yourself a perk.
  7. 705red

    705red Browncafe Steward

  8. UpstateNYUPSer

    UpstateNYUPSer Very proud grandfather.

    I have no problem with it because I have been on the banner for most of my career. It only lists those who give leadership ($750) or higher but does not list individual amounts given.

    You know, to be honest, I have never looked at it from your point of view. Those who choose not to give dismiss the banner as a mgt ploy while those who do appreciate the recognition.
  9. automaticP1300

    automaticP1300 New Member

  10. But Benefits Are Great!

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    Not busting on NYS, or anyone for that matter, for giving to UW or anyone.

    Getting something in return for giving money to UW (parking spots, football tickets, names on a banner) is not charity. That is called "shopping".

    Charity is anonymous, without personal material gain or reward, and without recognition.

    Names of big donators on a banner? Please tell me you are kidding?

    I tried to come up with an adult word for that, but I can't. That is plain icky.
  11. over9five

    over9five Moderator Staff Member

    Grand-standing? Egotistical?

    How 'bout vainglorious? (I will try to use this word 12 times tomorrow)
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  13. UpstateNYUPSer

    UpstateNYUPSer Very proud grandfather.

    I support the United Way as it allows me to make my donation in weekly increments. I support the various fundraisers as I think that they increase participation. I support the banner but do not donate simply to see my name on a banner. I enjoyed the 2 fundraising packages that I was high bidder on as it allowed my children and I (son-basketball, daughter-football) to spend a weekend each in Syracuse. Call it shopping or whatever you wish. I guess the 10-15 people that chose to bid on each of the various packages were just shopping. If my center were a large one, I would bid on a prime parking space.

    Charity can be loosely defined as helping those who are less fortunate. My donation goes to the local Hospice, a very worthwhile organization helping those in the final stages of their lives.

    I take advantage of the tax deduction offered by the IRS for charitable donations. I always deduct the value of any gift(s) received as part of my donation, which for the sports tickets were the face value of the tickets, which I copied and stapled to a copy of my check.
  14. trplnkl

    trplnkl 555

    Do you really think UW gives flying flip why you give them money? I think NOT.
    UPS uses all sorts of gimmicks to get what they want, but it isn't OK for the drivers to propose anything to reach a goal? I like Thorns idea, except I would replace DMs with IE people. They are the ones that come up with these stupid unattainable numbers.
  15. cino321

    cino321 Active Member

    This post is hysterical.
  16. brownmonster

    brownmonster Man of Great Wisdom

    Thorn, your gross pay is safe. Can't run a route walking around all day with your hands in your pocket.
  17. Covemastah

    Covemastah Suspension Ovah !!! Tom is free FU Goodell !!

    i love how they beat on the poor part time kids making 8.50 an hour then walloped with taxes and union dues ,cut down their hours and maybe give em'' a slice of pizza on a friday nite to give to the U.W these kids should be applauded more than the drivers or any of the mngment team for giving when they take home so little and get beat down so much!!! i tip my hat to all of them!!!!!!
  18. tieguy

    tieguy Banned

  19. tieguy

    tieguy Banned

    trp you moved a hand and foot at the same time when you climbed up on this soapbox.

    What did you not understand about my post?
    Its real simple.

    Give to the united way or whatever charity you support because you want to help your community. Because you get a good feeling inside. Because you feel like your walking on air when you see a disadvantaged kid learn to read. Because you get a tear in your eye when you see a disabled vet suffering from his war wounds or hobbling around on his prostetics. Do it like I do because you feel a sense of outrage when you have to watch your father in law succumb to a horrible disease like ALS.
    Do it for all the right reasons tnp.

    But for gods sake don't cheapen the gift by doing it because you lost a friggen bet.
  20. New Englander

    New Englander New Member

    Tie, here in lies the problem for me. Though before we get to that. I did decide to give this year.

    I do not live in the town that I work in. I want my money to go to something that will HELP children. Unfortunately, I was very limited in my choices. 2 and they were less then spectacular in dealing with with what I really wanted my money used for.

    Sure thats not the United Ways fault, I know that but it is a very valid reason not to give to them.

    Though the original poster has a very valid point. We are being urged to give more this year. Why not take the driver up on it?