Upstate and Western New York.

Bubblehead

My Senior Picture
So according to the IBT off-record any time you vote you're voting on a last and final offer, yet the contract doesn't say this. This is a sad attempt at a loophole when everybody knows it's a blatant wide open rule for the leaders to abuse their power. Loopholes are usually more crafty than this and written by very smart people knowing the reader won't catch it unless he uses a magnifying glass, but these guys.... wow.
No, this is how Hoffa is interpreting the IBT Constitution this time, after interpreting it to the contrary in 2013 (I'll assume that's what you meant).

I saw this most recent "interpretation" as a possibility months before the vote, and asked anybody I could (some were pretty big ballers), and they all said no....or "I don't know".

....I believe they all knew all along, but what good does that do us now???
 
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What'dyabringmetoday???

Well-Known Member
Celebrating what ?

Not having to waste more time and money negotiating with the company on

contractual language.... that the members won't vote on ?
No- that 65% voted no yet they make it seem like it passed by a landslide. You can save your dissertation. Everyone is aware that your OPINION is the only one that matters. Others are allowed to have opinions as well Big Union Man.
 

BigUnionGuy

Got the T-Shirt
No- that 65% voted no yet they make it seem like it passed by a landslide.


The minority doesn't get to dictate and determine the outcome.

Maybe if the members were more involved, you would have had a better result.


Everyone is aware that your OPINION is the only one that matters. Others are allowed to have opinions as well Big Union Man.


Do you think I enjoy seeing that ?

It's embarrassing.
 

Coldworld

60 months and counting
When have I ever said anything negative about Sean O ?





Fred Z is a turncoat.

He was a Hoffa loyalist for years.... until he was not appointed to the IBT executive

board when Walt L retired. He really began to cry when he was removed as the

carhaul director. Guess he really missed that extra perk. Now he has become

wise to the ways of exploiting the TDU fringe element for his benefit.


What's even funnier.... 99.9% of the members didn't even know who Denis T

was until Hoffa replaced Sean O as pkg car director.



-Bug-
Sounds like you aren’t a fan of DT????
 

BigUnionGuy

Got the T-Shirt
It wasn't a minority.


3979 members were eligible to vote.

1204 voted no.... I'd call that a minority of the members.


Upstate and Western New York Supplement Local Union Vote Results - UPS Rising


Three Locals actually approved the supplement, with Local 529 at 82.35%.


Sounds like you aren’t a fan of DT????


I've never met the man.

Two friends of mine are high ranking Union Officials and are both on the

National negotiating committee, and have told me he's a sharp guy.


All I've ever said.... the members were in control of their own destiny and

dropped the ball, by not participating.


You sure are stubborn.


It's an inherited ethnical trait, known as "sisu".

For the most part it's been a blessing.... but at times, has been a curse. :biggrin:



-Bug-
 

What'dyabringmetoday???

Well-Known Member
3979 members were eligible to vote.

1204 voted no.... I'd call that a minority of the members.


Upstate and Western New York Supplement Local Union Vote Results - UPS Rising


Three Locals actually approved the supplement, with Local 529 at 82.35%.





I've never met the man.

Two friends of mine are high ranking Union Officials and are both on the

National negotiating committee, and have told me he's a sharp guy.


All I've ever said.... the members were in control of their own destiny and

dropped the ball, by not participating.





It's an inherited ethnical trait, known as "sisu".

For the most part it's been a blessing.... but at times, has been a curse. :biggrin:



-Bug-
Oh- so one local approved it "at 82.35%". So must be that number means nothing according to the way you like to define things. Shouldn't matter how many eligible people vote. What should matter is the results based on those who voted. Again- you can save your opinion because we will never agree. I have a feeling that if you still worked at UPS, if you really ever did, you would have a much different outlook. You will say different, but most that leave there for "elected office" forget where they came from. You are free to go on pretending none of this is the case.
 

BigUnionGuy

Got the T-Shirt
Oh- so one local approved it "at 82.35%".


Three out of seven Locals approved it.


Local 529 - 82.35% voted yes

Local 118 - 75% voted yes

Local 317 - 56.09% voted yes


Only one Local 294.... had more than a 50% participation.


Shouldn't matter how many eligible people vote. What should matter is the results based on those who voted.


A vocal minority, expecting to control the situation....

Isn't that called "mob rule" ?


I have a feeling that if you still worked at UPS, if you really ever did, you would have a much different outlook.


Please....


You will say different, but most that leave there for "elected office" forget where they came from.


There is that elitist UPS attitude.

They think, they are the only Teamsters in the Union and should be catered too.


Pfft.
 

Integrity

Binge Poster
Oh- so one local approved it "at 82.35%". So must be that number means nothing according to the way you like to define things. Shouldn't matter how many eligible people vote. What should matter is the results based on those who voted. Again- you can save your opinion because we will never agree. I have a feeling that if you still worked at UPS, if you really ever did, you would have a much different outlook. You will say different, but most that leave there for "elected office" forget where they came from. You are free to go on pretending none of this is the case.
I believe in the required 2/3 majority when not enough vote.

Just saying.
 

Bubblehead

My Senior Picture
Three out of seven Locals approved it.


Local 529 - 82.35% voted yes

Local 118 - 75% voted yes

Local 317 - 56.09% voted yes


Only one Local 294.... had more than a 50% participation.





A vocal minority, expecting to control the situation....

Isn't that called "mob rule" ?





Please....





There is that elitist UPS attitude.

They think, they are the only Teamsters in the Union and should be catered too.


Pfft.
I am hoping it gets down to 1 or 2 supplements hanging and they continue to vote no at better than a 50% clip, so all of this rhetoric is exposed as :bsbullf:when Hoffa imposes it anyway, using some other "interpretation" of the IBT Constitution.

UPSer's aren't "elitist", just the opposite....as the majority are under-compensated part time, indigent workers, in disposable, high turnover jobs.
That's why they don't vote.




~Bbbl~™
 

What'dyabringmetoday???

Well-Known Member
Three out of seven Locals approved it.


Local 529 - 82.35% voted yes

Local 118 - 75% voted yes

Local 317 - 56.09% voted yes


Only one Local 294.... had more than a 50% participation.





A vocal minority, expecting to control the situation....

Isn't that called "mob rule" ?





Please....





There is that elitist UPS attitude.

They think, they are the only Teamsters in the Union and should be catered too.


Pfft.
Mob rule? Lol. Thank you for enlightening me. I have finally seen the light Big Union Man. You are right about everything. Us dues paying members are useless. We do absolutely nothing to help incredible leaders like yourself as you forge the charge promoting unionism. Thank you so much. And thank you for posting voting numbers that none of us lowly rank and file members have seen yet. Yes sir- we had absolutely no idea what the results were in each local. Thank you Big Union Man. I will go spread the word of how incredible this supplement is along with the master. Thank you Big Union Man. ( I suspect you will respond because you always like to get the last word in. Surely Mommy and Daddy told you every day how special you were.) Thanks again Big a Union Man.
 
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