Vacation/weekly bid

[UnconTROLLed]

You do.
This very thing happened in my center. I called my BA, he called labor, labor called HR, HR called my center manager, green light of death came on on my board, I called the center, boss said that I was working the route, the regular guy is on vacation.

The contract does not give any rights to work to a person that is on vacation.

The national does not.

 

[Indecisi0n]

That could be avoided if they didn't make us pick vacations the year prior. This company does some backassward things everyday but the vacation selection and advanced pay are probably the most ridiculous way to do things. Even the Federal and State governments aren't that friend*d up.

I hate the advance pay .

 

[wide load]

Absolutely right! Think of the guys who might have wanted a certain time but couldn't get it because it was already full. Then come to work to see JoeDickhead working when he was supposed to be off. We have had guys lose their anniversary time, kid's graduations, weddings, and other big events.

Exactly. I’d be pissed if I missed 4th of July week by one person and then that dude came in to work.

 

[Boywondr]

We put a stop to that double dipping here and they had to post multiple permanent ft driving opportunities the next spring because few part timers signed up to be vacation replacements.

Some drivers didn't like it but I told them if they couldn't live on $1800+ a week they could sell one of their Harleys.

 

[UPSER1987]

That could be avoided if they didn't make us pick vacations the year prior. This company does some backassward things everyday but the vacation selection and advanced pay are probably the most ridiculous way to do things. Even the Federal and State governments aren't that friend*d up.

But you didn’t offer a solution. And you only work in a super small center. What of the large 100+ driver centers? What’s the solution?

 

[What'dyabringmetoday???]

Did they amend it or something, because I remember at a meeting when discussing the changes, people overreacted and thought that was how it was going to be. I wouldn't have remembered from back in '90.

He may not remember exactly because he was around 60 in 1990. Lol.

 

[What'dyabringmetoday???]

Irregardless they would only need to rebid between you and the other driver, not all the way down to the lowest seniority driver.

IAACU----I Am All Caught Up

Irregardless- lol.

 

[What'dyabringmetoday???]

Irregardless- lol.

And before you pounce, I realize that is an "accepted" word.

 

[Overpaid Union Thug]

We have some weird drivers that like to come in a few days and work while they are on vacation, don’t ask me why I think that’s stupid. My question is if I sign the weekly bid to run a said route for that while and the driver decides to come work a few days who has the right over the route? Thanks in advance friends

If you are in the Southern then you need to file each and every time someone works during their vacation. They are violating article 61 G and also, if you were the one that bid their route, they are also violating whatever article applies to that new language pertaining to bidding routes weekly.

Yes, the new language does say that if a bid driver returns to work during the week they will return to their route but......how are they returning to their route if they are supposed to be on a scheduled vacation? Ask for the two hour penalty each and every time you are bumped by a driver that supposed to be on vacation just like you would/should if you were moved from any other bid route due to staffing or “knowledge issues.”

I just don’t understand why this is ever an issue in any building. Why the hell would anyone in their right mind want to work during a vacation? But putting that aside, why can’t s just do the right thing and follow the contract? We expect management to do just that so why are hourly employees any different? If the contract says vacations must be sold in September, which the Southern does, then they need to keep their asses away from UPS during their selected vacation weeks. It’s not rocket science.

But what else should we expect from the same guys that sign up for extra work on preload but take the layoff for driving the same day. At least that’s how it is in my building.

 

[Alamo Joe]

Southern supplement is vague multiple grievances could be filed. It says if driver returns mid week he will be back on his route. So what about the beginning of the week or end of the week? It’s all about the wording. If you get bumped,just file a grievance and get your penalty pay.

 

[Overpaid Union Thug]

Southern supplement is vague multiple grievances could be filed. It says if driver returns mid week he will be back on his route. So what about the beginning of the week or end of the week? It’s all about the wording. If you get bumped,just file a grievance and get your penalty pay.

Article 61 G is crystal clear. Says that a driver can take the pay for vacation in lieu of time off but that they must notify the company in September. So a driver on a selected vacation week not only shouldn’t be able to bump but should be sent home as well.

The new language is talking about bid drivers that were scheduled off for reasons other than selected vacation weeks. A good example is a bid driver that was supposed to be on orders with the National Guard for an entire week but had the rest cancelled at some point during that week. Doesn’t matter if it’s mid week or on a Friday.

 

[Alamo Joe]

Your not making any sense.

 

[Overpaid Union Thug]

Your not making any sense.

Makes perfect senses. Perhaps your hangover is clouding things a bit?

 

[barnyard]

What Overpaid is saying is that a driver that is on vacation, comes in to work, contractually, that driver has NO bumping rights to a route. Contractually, the driver should be sent home. If management works the driver, it would be at the bottom of the seniority list, taking out the crapiest of crapwagons.

When I was told that I would not be covering a route because the driver was working his vacation, the BA took care of it. The driver stayed home and I worked his job. The driver could have worked, but would have been at the bottom of the seniority list, as a cut driver.

We have a couple of drivers in my center that save their option weeks and then never ask for those days off. If a driver feels the need to work vacation, that is the only contractual way to do it. The week of Thanksgiving, said driver will be paid for all unused split days.

 

[Alamo Joe]

There you go barnyard,now that was worded correctly.

 

[Overpaid Union Thug]

There you go barnyard,now that was worded correctly.

I apologize for not having articulated it in that one particular sequence of wording that your comprehension allows you to understand. In the future I will refrain from citing contract language without first using an advanced AI program that, hopefully, will be able construct an algorithm that will allow it to satisfy your specific level of reading comprehension.

 

[Overpaid Union Thug]

What Overpaid is saying is that a driver that is on vacation, comes in to work, contractually, that driver has NO bumping rights to a route. Contractually, the driver should be sent home. If management works the driver, it would be at the bottom of the seniority list, taking out the crapiest of crapwagons.

When I was told that I would not be covering a route because the driver was working his vacation, the BA took care of it. The driver stayed home and I worked his job. The driver could have worked, but would have been at the bottom of the seniority list, as a cut driver.

We have a couple of drivers in my center that save their option weeks and then never ask for those days off. If a driver feels the need to work vacation, that is the only contractual way to do it. The week of Thanksgiving, said driver will be paid for all unused split days.

I like the new weekly bid language and the two hour penalty. It has ”teeth” and strengthens the already existing language. Management won’t like paying monetary grievances for letting bid drivers work during their vacations.

 

[Maple Grove MN Driver]

That's exactly how it is done here minus the third round. The problem with us is that we are a smaller center and there are only so many slots available to take off and some of the higher seniority guys take two at a time.

I know, not practical or feasible, but there should be a stipulation that people cannot work through their vacations.

Exactly