Vaccine mandate

quad decade guy

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On property testing is not an option. Your right to privacy doesn't disappear when you are lawfully on someone else's property.
Fair enough. BTW, never said it did.

Let's say it's upheld as law.

UPS must comply...or be fined $14,000 per employee(as I understand it).

The point was anti-vaxers(whatever) could find this a way to keep their jobs and not making the rest of us lose ours. Their privacy could be kept confidential. Being so and all that...another matter...with just being at work would mean vaxed or not but either way you don't have Covid(at that moment). BTW, being vaxed doesn't mean you don't have Covid.

UPS is a "non govt" company...private(yes, I know stock). Now, if law and contracts.....considered....could you "lawfully" terminate some one based on the law?

I surely don't know but this battle is coming if the law goes through.

Again, I haven't seen any prep. Either UPS has a plan or no. Again, are we going to lose 30% of our staff on Jan.6th?
 

quad decade guy

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You would test at home and pay for it out of your pocket. At least this is what some other work places are doing.
Ok. into perpetuity(forever)? Every week?

Really?

Faced with this.....would 30 % quit? And would this effectively shut UPS down? How about 10%? Are we fat on staffing by 10%....30%?
 

zubenelgenubi

I'm a star
You would test at home and pay for it out of your pocket. At least this is what some other work places are doing.

Only because their employees consent, even if under duress and coercion. I will not test, nor would I disclose the status of any such test if I were to take one. Employers have zero right to demand that of us. People don't understand their rights, and are willing to do whatever they are told just to keep their bellies filled.
 
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zubenelgenubi

I'm a star
Fair enough. BTW, never said it did.

Let's say it's upheld as law.

UPS must comply...or be fined $14,000 per employee(as I understand it).

The point was anti-vaxers(whatever) could find this a way to keep their jobs and not making the rest of us lose ours. Their privacy could be kept confidential. Being so and all that...another matter...with just being at work would mean vaxed or not but either way you don't have Covid(at that moment). BTW, being vaxed doesn't mean you don't have Covid.

UPS is a "non govt" company...private(yes, I know stock). Now, if law and contracts.....considered....could you "lawfully" terminate some one based on the law?

I surely don't know but this battle is coming if the law goes through.

Again, I haven't seen any prep. Either UPS has a plan or no. Again, are we going to lose 30% of our staff on Jan.6th?

No, the mandates are getting slapped down left and right. The OSHA one is getting laughed out of court. Every federal mandate so far has been enjoined, and the courts know the government has no power to make employers violate their employees civil rights. The employers who choose to do so are exposing themselves to massive liability. Once the lawyers smell the blood in the water, it will be a legal feeding frenzy, and the only winners will be the lawyers.
 

PCM Troll

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This explains pretty well what unions can and can't do in regards to these vaccine mandates.

Except that the ETS is unconstitutional.
 

Non liberal

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Ok. into perpetuity(forever)? Every week?

Really?

Faced with this.....would 30 % quit? And would this effectively shut UPS down? How about 10%? Are we fat on staffing by 10%....30%?
Until the government says so, every week, probably not, but I would, or just keep bringing the same test result in each week. Ups would probably like it. The government is purposefully destroying the government, bringing us to a socialist first, and then a communist country. The days of making money hand over fist are done, sadly. Now it’s about saving the climate and doing without for the “better” of mankind.
 

Bubblehead

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Except that the ETS is unconstitutional.
Perhaps???

....but it will definitely be challenged on the state level across the whole "union", ultimately making it a mute point and settled by the SCOTUS.

I have always known this and is why this issue doesn't pull my string.

I have other things to worry about.
 

Bubblehead

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I would like to see this MOU?
People may be waking up
....or maybe the Union hypothetically bargained for the effects of a nonexistent mandate.

Sounds like GM, Ford and Chrysler doesn't want to pay for the weekly testing and is "testing" the waters?
 

trickpony1

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I would like to see this MOU?

....or maybe the Union hypothetically bargained for the effects of a nonexistent mandate.

Sounds like GM, Ford and Chrysler doesn't want to pay for the weekly testing and is "testing" the waters?
Gosh....I wonder if our union will have the intestinal fortitude to do the same thing?
Collectively helping.
 

542thruNthru

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I did. You quoted it. 👍
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