You could do better, just sayin.....
Warning Letter!
- Thread starter Packmule
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menotyou
bella amicizia
Not 100%.
YouKnowWhoIam
Banned
Wonder what the song will be? And any ideas on a honeymoon?
packageguy
Well-Known Member
Just continue to do the right thing, Don't let that supervisor get in your head. Take car of your customers they will take care of you.
brown_trousers
Well-Known Member
nice research!.. Although this law is specific to just California, I'd bet many states have similar laws.
And bottom line is that you CANNOT be disciplined for failure to break a law. If UPS does write a warning letter, you would have a lawsuit against them. Them writing a warning letter to you would be considered soliciting(encouraging) unlawful behavior. And I personally think it would be satisfying to skip the grievance process for once, and take the matter directly to a lawsuit.
C
chuchu
Guest
The song would be 3-2-1 by Disciple.
Packmule
Well-Known Member
Had my hearing on my horn honking warning grievance today. In addition to my concerns about what the policy really does to safety, security, and our reputation, I pounded it home hard that the policy is basically not legal. Mention that law enforcement officers have suggested I contact the the states attorney's office, and suddenly there's lots of concerns about me honking too loud and getting the cops involved. Indeed, now you know why their warning letters are so generic. Anyway, they are rescending said letter in one month, provided I pass 2 observations on the horn. Also they are planning to do a demo of what they consider a resonable horn tap--not too soft, not too loud. Also, I am supposed to provide a list of addresses that have sensitive situations (day sleepers, etc) so they can put no-horn notes in the board. So basically, they want me to do exactly what I WAS doing when I got a warning letter in the first place.
Laughable, but in the world of corporate games, I consider it a victory.
Laughable, but in the world of corporate games, I consider it a victory.
soberups
Pees in the brown Koolaid
It would be intersting (and kind of sad) to calculate the total amount of time and money your "management team" has pissed away on this drivel so far. Imagine what they could accomplish if they devoted that much effort on something that actually matters. Be grateful that you arent forced to to go to such lengths in order to justify your job.
satellitedriver
Moderator
Pack,
You just gave me a million dollar idea !!!
A variable volume/decibel pkg car horn.
It would be controlled via our DIAD GPS function.
Brilliant.
Also, telematics could honk the horn every time we back up, or pull away from a curb.
WOW, I can not believe that IE hasn't already thought of this concept to waste several more million dollars.
UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)
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No-horn notes in c-pad? Suppose you are a cover driver on your area. We are no longer allowed to touch our DIAD's while the wheels are rolling so unless the driver scrolls through the DIAD before driving to one of those "no-horn" stops he/she will not know and will follow the methods and possibly receive a complaint for doing so.
May I suggest you post a list of the "no-horn" addresses to the bulk head door of your PC to make it easier for cover drivers. I have such a list for the entry codes on my area. I did this because I was tired of getting phone calls on my days off asking for these codes.
May I suggest you post a list of the "no-horn" addresses to the bulk head door of your PC to make it easier for cover drivers. I have such a list for the entry codes on my area. I did this because I was tired of getting phone calls on my days off asking for these codes.
Buck Fifty
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grieve any and all warning letters, no matter what !!!
UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)
Well-Known Member
Buck Fifty
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UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)
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How would you grieve a legitimate warning letter?
"Yes, I did use my DIAD while driving and had 68 recording in travels, but I still don't feel that I deserved the warning letter..."
"Yes, I did use my DIAD while driving and had 68 recording in travels, but I still don't feel that I deserved the warning letter..."
bottomups
Bad Moon Risen'
I would recommend to the alleged violator to start with Article 6 of the National Master. UPS cannot discipline based solely on any GPS or any successor system (ie. telematics). Alleged recording in travel MUST be seen by a UPS management person.
UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)
Well-Known Member
I suggest you enjoy this caveat as it will be gone in 2013.
What'dyabringmetoday???
Well-Known Member
Just as you should "enjoy" the projected pension that you have "earned" as it will be gone when you retire.
UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)
Well-Known Member
Last time I checked direct deposits don't come with an asterisk.
Do you really think the company spent all of this money on technology with no plans to use it for disciplinary purposes?
bottomups
Bad Moon Risen'
During my days as a steward I could only suggest to the grievant what articles of the contract to file under. We have current language that does not allow UPS to discipline based solely on technology. If that changes in 2013 we will deal with it when and if it happens.
Management still must follow progressive discipline, and if a warning letter was issued before a verbal warning for same offense, I would recommend grievance to that effect. Would also recommend to the alleged violator to clean up his or her act. Most would comply, the others deserve what they have coming.
Management still must follow progressive discipline, and if a warning letter was issued before a verbal warning for same offense, I would recommend grievance to that effect. Would also recommend to the alleged violator to clean up his or her act. Most would comply, the others deserve what they have coming.
What'dyabringmetoday???
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I was simply giving you advice as you did with the other poster. You obviously have not been paying much attention to how "well" the pension is doing. At least you did make it to ONE meeting. Sorry to get off topic folks. (never happens here, right?)
