Weingarten rights

[silverbullet2893]

@barnyard don’t listen to @IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U about sneaking in. Come in the office just like this ^^^^

 

[Brownslave688]

They haven't changed anything. No extra routes in , no 22.4 drivers. What do they expect?

The company agreed to this language

Well they can’t give me a 7 hour plan
Every day. Blah blah blah. Well then we’re gonna have issues.

When I’m doing 25 stops over what was 9.5 on a rural route 10 years ago and you’re calling it an 8.5 plan. That’s their problem. Not mine.

 

[barnyard]

I really don’t care until they threaten to retaliate by taking my job. Then it’s time to nip it.

That was almost exactly how my conversation went with my steward.

 

[542thruNthru]

What is the correct phrase to use when one thinks they should have a shop steward present??

My plan was this, "I am sorry, I cannot answer that. My supe said that I would not have a job if I did, so I would like to politely decline. If we need to continue this conversation, I would like to request my Weingarten rights and have a shop steward present."

Yes??

Weingarten rights are for any "investigative" questioning that may result in discipline.

As soon as you feel that the meeting you're having is heading towards discipline. Say...

"If this discussion could in any way lead to my being disciplined or terminated, or affect my personal working conditions, I respectfully request that my union representative, officer, or steward be present at this meeting. Until my representative arrives, I choose not to participate in this discussion."

You can change it how you want but the main thing is point out that if the discussion can result in discipline you're requesting a shop steward be present.

 

[542thruNthru]

Threatening my job is pretty much what I reserve harassment grievances for. They can do or say whatever they want. I really don’t care until they threaten to retaliate by taking my job. Then it’s time to nip it.

We've had guys even call the hotline and report the manager for creating a hostile work environment.

 

[Maple Grove MN Driver]

We've had guys even call the hotline and report a the manager for creating a hostile work environment.

I did that at least once a month.

 

[barnyard]

Weingarten rights are for any "investigative" questioning that may result in discipline.

As soon as you feel that the meeting you're having is heading towards discipline. Say...

"If this discussion could in any way lead to my being disciplined or terminated, or affect my personal working conditions, I respectfully request that my union representative, officer, or steward be present at this meeting. Until my representative arrives, I choose not to participate in this discussion."

You can change it how you want but the main thing is point out that if the discussion can result in discipline you're requesting a shop steward be present.

Thank you.

 

[542thruNthru]

Because of the threat of being fired for answering a saftey question wrong I would highly recommend filing the grievance.

It should be documented in case your manager does try and follow through.

 

[barnyard]

I will get the ball rolling on that tomorrow.

Thanks to all.

 

[Rack em]

I will get the ball rolling on that tomorrow.

Thanks to all.

Good luck buddy, don't take no from some pencil pusher!

Threatening my job is pretty much what I reserve harassment grievances for. They can do or say whatever they want. I really don’t care until they threaten to retaliate by taking my job. Then it’s time to nip it.

I file anytime I feel harassed. It sends a message not to with me, and with the new language, it can lead to quite a nice grievance check.

 

[BestMgrEver]

It's a respect thing. Always have union rep there. If the sup is trying to discipline you without one present, they're a joke of an management person

 

[MyTripisCut]

Weingarten rights are for any "investigative" questioning that may result in discipline.

As soon as you feel that the meeting you're having is heading towards discipline. Say...

"If this discussion could in any way lead to my being disciplined or terminated, or affect my personal working conditions, I respectfully request that my union representative, officer, or steward be present at this meeting. Until my representative arrives, I choose not to participate in this discussion."

You can change it how you want but the main thing is point out that if the discussion can result in discipline you're requesting a shop steward be present.

I think everyone should say this any time management wants to “talk”. Doesn’t matter what it’s about.

 

[Rack em]

It's a respect thing. Always have union rep there. If the sup is trying to discipline you without one present, they're a joke of an management person

Truth. Trying to discipline a union employee without a steward present would be like a cop not reading your Miranda rights when arresting you.

 

[barnyard]

I think everyone should say this any time management wants to “talk”. Doesn’t matter what it’s about.

It used to not be that way in my building. The recently retired center manager and the dispatch supe have torched all the goodwill that past supes have built. The driver supes let the dispatch supe run the joint. They are reaping what they have sown.

 

[MyTripisCut]

Truth. Trying to discipline a union employee without a steward present would be like a cop not reading your Miranda rights when arresting you.

Except for the morons that don’t excercise their rights and shoot their own toes off.

 

[barnyard]

Except for the morons that don’t excercise their rights and shoot their own toes off.

That is what I am trying to avoid.

 

[BestMgrEver]

Except for the morons that don’t excercise their rights and shoot their own toes off.

It's usually the guys who think they're "cool" with us lol

 

[542thruNthru]

I think everyone should say this any time management wants to “talk”. Doesn’t matter what it’s about.

Yes I agree but if you run into a smart manager/sup, which yes is rare. He can say No.

Then a member may do or say something that does get him in trouble because he doesn't realize that the sup doesn't have to allow a steward at that time.

 

[Rack em]

Except for the morons that don’t excercise their rights and shoot their own toes off.

Our center manager won't talk to anyone in a closed door meeting without a steward present. He knows the difference between right and wrong (sometimes). I'm pretty sure he's got his ass reamed in the past for pressuring a driver to talk without a steward.

 

[MyTripisCut]

Yes I agree but if you run into a smart manager/sup, which yes is rare. He can say No.

Then a member may do or say something that does get him in trouble because he doesn't realize that the sup doesn't have to allow a steward at that time.

Then would it stick? Kinda becomes he said she said no?