542thruNthru
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But yet you seem to think you can spread bad info just because? Anything you do not know for sure and then tell someone is bad info.
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But yet you seem to think you can spread bad info just because? Anything you do not know for sure and then tell someone is bad info.
BlackCat
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542thruNthru
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A non vote has never been a YES vote for the contract. So yes I say you don't know. If you can prove it then do it, but you won't because you'd rather get people worried and riled up over false information.
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Pretty sure people are just using that statement as a figure of speech. A non vote is as useless as a yes vote for this contract.
Indecisi0n
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We are still working on it.
trickpony1
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It doesn't say it anywhere...it's common sense and stuff you should have learned in your college "Logic and reasoning" class.
Given: A (yes vote)
Given: B (no vote)
Not B therefore A.
Since "no votes" won't pass the contract:
Given: A (yes vote)
Given: B (no vote)
Not A therefore B is invalid.
So...in essence, a "no vote" will cancel a "yes vote".
A "non vote" doesn't cancel anything.
I know it's difficult...
542thruNthru
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Lol ok we all understand that a non vote doesn't help but to say a non vote is a YES vote is not accurate
So we have 30,000 yes votes and 31,000 no votes
Then we have 180,000 non votes. Those do not become YES votes.
The guy is literally saying that a non vote will be counted as a YES vote. No it does not but it also doesn't help either.
Just A UPS Guy
Bully.
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In essence it does, if voter turnout is below 50%. If less than 50% of the membership votes then a simple majority "no" vote does not vote down the contract entirely, it would require a super-majority "no" vote. So, if you have only 90k people vote, you would need 60k +1 to disallow this to be forced down our throats........rather than 45k +1.....
I'd rather take it out of Hoffa's hands...
In essence it does, if voter turnout is below 50%. If less than 50% of the membership votes then a simple majority "no" vote does not vote down the contract entirely, it would require a super-majority "no" vote. So, if you have only 90k people vote, you would need 60k +1 to disallow this to be forced down our throats........rather than 45k +1.....
I'd rather take it out of Hoffa's hands...
A non vote is like a yes vote, and I can prove it.
Say there are 1,000 members eligible to vote. If 501 actually cast a vote then it would take 252 ‘no’ votes to reject the contract.
In contrast, if only 499 cast a vote then it will take 332 ‘no’ votes to reject the contract. (That’s a higher burden to overcome.)
So, each person that fails to submit a vote increases the probability that less than half of the members will cast a vote; this in turn means that 332 ‘no’ votes are needed to say ‘NO’ to contract.
In other words, each person that does not cast a vote increases the burden it takes to reject the contract.
So if you don’t cast a vote, it’s like saying, “I’m not gonna vote and I know it that will make it harder for you guys to reject the contract.”
Say there are 1,000 members eligible to vote. If 501 actually cast a vote then it would take 252 ‘no’ votes to reject the contract.
In contrast, if only 499 cast a vote then it will take 332 ‘no’ votes to reject the contract. (That’s a higher burden to overcome.)
So, each person that fails to submit a vote increases the probability that less than half of the members will cast a vote; this in turn means that 332 ‘no’ votes are needed to say ‘NO’ to contract.
In other words, each person that does not cast a vote increases the burden it takes to reject the contract.
So if you don’t cast a vote, it’s like saying, “I’m not gonna vote and I know it that will make it harder for you guys to reject the contract.”
BlackCat
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My job is not to educate you.
542thruNthru
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Thank God since almost everything you've said in this thread has been wrong or not up to date.
You didn't know about the extention, online voting and now you're acting like you're infallible. Keep up the great work there Ace!
Can't wait for your next piece of information. Should be a real winner.
BlackCat
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Thank God since almost everything you've said in this thread has been wrong or not up to date.
You didn't know about the extention, online voting and now you're acting like you're infallible. Keep up the great work there Ace!
Can't wait for your next piece of information. Should be a real winner.
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It is okay to admit you were wrong. It is not hard, I did it.
542thruNthru
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When I see proof that a non vote will be counted as a YES vote. I will gladly admit I'm wrong and even apologize. Question is will you?
BlackCat
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Of course I will. And I will start by apologizing on behalf of the teachers that passed you.
BlackCat
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I am just kidding dude. I am not looking to start an argument.
542thruNthru
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No worries. No hurt feeling here. I thought it was funny.
BlackCat
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I probably should have phrased a "Non-vote is a YES vote" a little differently even though I stand by what I said.
You are looking at it as X amount of absent ballots are automatically added to the "Yes" column. You can not look at it that way.
Depending on voter turnout, it will/could take substantially more "no" votes to overcome the "yes" votes and also the "non-votes".
trickpony1
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Let's try this...
This is a "once in a lifetime (5 years)" deal.
You've got one shot at this.
Do you want to gamble?
Do you?
Really?
If everyone voted "no" I imagine a better offer would be presented.
542thruNthru
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Right now I'm telling everybody to vote no just as I'm voting no.
BlackCat
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ahem......
