Who would be at fault!

Discussion in 'UPS Discussions' started by Cobra Agent, Sep 10, 2008.

  1. Cobra Agent

    Cobra Agent Mandalorian

    As many of you know I am delivering at a college. Well the regular driver is back from vacation and yesterday i was on the split car from one of the colleges. I was delivering to one of the mail rooms at one college and had 3 boxes of wine (monavie to be exact) that was to be delivered to 3 different people at this certain dorm. Of course when i delivered them to the mail room lady the diad prompted me to check identification to make sure the person recieving this is over 21. Well this lady at the mail room was older than dirt so their was no need to ask for her identification. Which made me wonder........
    I am pretty sure the the college student that is getting the wine is not 21. Since I released the wine to a 3rd party am i released of liability if the underage student gets drunk off the wine and gets hurt? Or is liability put on the mailroom lady?
  2. yonnko

    yonnko Member

    Monavie is not wine
  3. dannyboy

    dannyboy From the promised LAND

    first off, you have no liability if you followed the instructions onthe package/diad prompt. ups would be the ones on the hook.

    as for the end user, how do you know they are not 21?

  4. UpstateNYUPSer

    UpstateNYUPSer Very proud grandfather.

    That was my first thought but why did the DIAD prompt for an adult signature?

    Cobra raises a good point. Do we have secondary liability if a package which requires an adult signature is properly signed for and then handed to a minor long after we have completed the delivery?
  5. Cobra Agent

    Cobra Agent Mandalorian

    well if it is not wine, i still get a prompt to check identification. Dont know what the prompt is for if it is not wine......For the sake of arguement lets say it is wine.
  6. drewed

    drewed Shankman

    this is a tough situation
    but id have to say no, because as long as they had a credit card and had someone older to sign for it.
    The liability would be for the person signing for it....
    but that raises the question, what kind of teenager gets drunk off wine? lol
  7. UpstateNYUPSer

    UpstateNYUPSer Very proud grandfather.

    Teenagers who go to Ivy League schools.
  8. jw55wags

    jw55wags New Member

    As long as someone signs I wouldn't worry. go home and have a beer or 2
  9. browniehound

    browniehound Well-Known Member

    I have a question. What exactly is Moavie? Is it grape juice? It looks like a bottle of wine to me, but I always DR it anyway:happy-very:. If its out of sight and weather, I leave it.
  10. Diegotron

    Diegotron Hater

    If a clerk sales a case of beer to a legal adult who hands it over to a kid, the clerk does not get in trouble.
  11. MonavieLeaker

    MonavieLeaker Bringin Teh_Lulz

    Monavie is a health drink www.monavie.com :happy-very:
  12. UpstateNYUPSer

    UpstateNYUPSer Very proud grandfather.

    Unless the clerk sees the kids in the parking lot waiting for the guy to come out with their beer.

    I have a friend who manages a convenience store and they are told that if a group comes in to puchase beer than they must check the IDs of everyone in the group, not only the one making the purchase.
  13. drewed

    drewed Shankman

    Yea, our liqour stores have cameras in the parking lot and asks what care your in (if theres suspicion)
  14. brown bomber

    brown bomber brown bomber

    monavie..is not an "alcoholic" product..it is juice...I've never recieved the over 21 , I.D. required prompt when delivering this product
  15. Bryishre

    Bryishre ktm atv racer

    well if it is adult sig req you need to take it to the person who orderd it and if its a dorm or an apt you need a room number or letter ......... I think it would be your fault becase your only suppose to deliver to the person on the pkg plus if they put a tracer on the pkg saying they never got it and found out that someone in the mailroom signed for it then your center manager would be breathing down your neck
  16. 1989

    1989 Well-Known Member

    I leave wine with the concierge at large condos and mail rooms at companies, but wouldn't leave with a mail room person at a college dorm.
  17. over9five

    over9five Moderator Staff Member

    I'd agree with that. If you get an adult signature/over 21 prompt, doesn't it also say "no alternate delivery", or something? You [-]couldn't[/-] shouldn't deliver it to a mail room.
  18. over9five

    over9five Moderator Staff Member

    PS. A Monavie box may have been re-used to ship wine....
  19. 1989

    1989 Well-Known Member

    Maybe it was re-used to ship a high value.
  20. dilligaf

    dilligaf IN VINO VERITAS

    I have always been told that we cannot indirect an adult sig req. It has to be signed for by the person that it is addressed to. If it is a resi then I will accept a spouses sig and if it is a business then I accept a secretaries sig., but I do not indirect to a neighbor (res or bus).