Another Look At D-Day

[bacha29]

the use of atomic weapons could have been authorized by anyone and you can make a case it was Eisenhower who led us to victory, it was a plan he came up with are allies, fdr just gave it the go ahead

FDR authorized the development of the A bomb . it was Truman who authorized the use of them when Japan refused to surrender and estimates of US combat casualties ran as high as one million. After Hiroshima they still refused to surrender which afterward Truman authorized the use of a second A bomb while US conventional bombing continued before and afterward.

 

[Future]

Dropping the bomb was unnecessary, much less dropping two.

We had them beat.

Would have clearly killed many many more American lives if we didn’t .... them

 

[newfie]

I do not disparage or seek to diminished their actions but you seek to over glorify them.

I don't understand your logic. how is it possible for me to over glorify someone who gave their life fighting evil? are you really that stupid to try to make such a ridiculous argument? is there one grain of sense or common decency in your body?

 

[Jkloc420]

FDR authorized the development of the A bomb . it was Truman who authorized the use of them when Japan refused to surrender and estimates of US combat casualties ran as high as one million. After Hiroshima they still refused to surrender which afterward Truman authorized the use of a second A bomb while US conventional bombing continued before and afterward.

We dropped the bomb to avoid an invasion of mainland japan, any president would of done it, not every president would have given half of Europe to the Soviets though

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

no mccain is a loser because he ratted on his fellow pow's and gave out military plans

Fifty rubles for you comrade.

 

[Jkloc420]

Fifty rubles for you comrade.

Mccain is not well liked by veterns, not like the media tells you

 

[newfie]

no mccain is a loser because he ratted on his fellow pow's and gave out military plans

after which he had a long career of stabbing his party in the back and being a parrot for the dems when they needed one. clearly traits he learned in Hanoi

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

We dropped the bomb to avoid an invasion of mainland japan, any president would of done it, not every president would have given half of Europe to the Soviets though

Murdering civilians.

 

[Jkloc420]

Murdering civilians.

that's usually what happens when you put military installations on the coast around civilians

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

that's usually what happens when you put military installations on the coast around civilians

Is it?

 

[Jkloc420]

Murdering civilians.

and let's not forget Japan bombed us first, which was stupid on their part in the first place

 

[Jkloc420]

Is it?

yea try it sometime

 

[bacha29]

I don't understand your logic. how is it possible for me to over glorify someone who gave their life fighting evil? are you really that stupid to try to make such a ridiculous argument? is there one grain of sense or common decency in your body?

What is clearly impossible for you or anyone to do is to separate the sacrifices of those who died from the lawlessness of the moment in history. One of the other uncles was a B24 pilot 15th air force out of Italy 51 missions and many of those missions involved carpet bombing of civilian targets. Tell me how do you glorify bombing the civilian population of your grandmother's home city? There were simply no enforceable rules of war and civil conduct in place on either theatres of operation at that moment in time because the sole objective was victory at any cost He carried out his missions went back to civilian life and volunteered very little information because he too wanted forget about those experiences .

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

yea try it sometime

Lots of countries do, including us.

 

[newfie]

What is clearly impossible for you or anyone to do is to separate the sacrifices of those who died from the lawlessness of the moment in history. One of the other uncles was a B24 pilot 15th air force out of Italy 51 missions and many of those missions involved carpet bombing of civilian targets. Tell me how do you glorify bombing the civilian population of your grandmother's home city? There were simply no enforceable rules of war and civil conduct in place on either theatres of operation at that moment in time because the sole objective was victory at any cost He carried out his missions went back to civilian life and volunteered very little information because he too wanted forget about those experiences .

you chose to make this point at a time when we honor people who stormed a beach at great risk to their own lives to fight an evil army.

you chose to make this point to disparage their moral character as if somehow their tremendous risk and sacrifice was somehow diminished because of what your uncle did or some MP somewhere else did.

the only moral judgement of anyone on D day is did they go and do their job and they did so with great valor.

its a stupid argument you made that should never have come up when we honor those brave souls who gave their all

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

you chose to make this point at a time when we honor people who stormed a beach at great risk to their own lives to fight an evil army.

you chose to make this point to disparage their moral character as if somehow their tremendous risk and sacrifice was somehow diminished because of what your uncle did or some MP somewhere else did.

the only moral judgement of anyone on D day is did they go and do their job and they did so with great valor.

its a stupid argument you made that should never have come up when we honor those brave souls who gave their all

Hey genius.
Read the first post of this thread.
If you don't want to participate in the topic, grab your binky and go cry in the corner.

 

[BrownArmy]

no mccain is a loser because he ratted on his fellow pow's and gave out military plans

Wrong.

 

[bacha29]

We dropped the bomb to avoid an invasion of mainland japan, any president would of done it, not every president would have given half of Europe to the Soviets though

As for the latter half not as simple as you think. At Yalta out of money and manpower knowing that his time as PM was coming to an end Churchill knew the sun was setting on the British Empire. Dying of stomach cancer and faced with a manned invasion of Japan with catastrophic casualties and knowing that the allies would meet the same fate as the Nazi's in a ground war in the Soviet Union FDR options were also limited. Stalin's promise of free and fair elections for the Eastern and Central European nations he now controlled was highly doubted, the allies on the other hand had little choice but to accept it at face value.

 

[Jkloc420]

As for the latter half not as simple as you think. At Yalta out of money and manpower knowing that his time as PM was coming to an end Churchill knew the sun was setting on the British Empire. Dying of stomach cancer and faced with a manned invasion of Japan with catastrophic casualties and knowing that the allies would meet the same fate as the Nazi's in a ground war in the Soviet Union FDR options were also limited. Stalin's promise of free and fair elections for the Eastern and Central European nations he now controlled was highly doubted, the allies on the other hand had little choice but to accept it at face value.

We gave Poland to russia, it is one reason the British were involved in the war in the first place

 

[Jkloc420]

Wrong.

you dont remember the obama campaign in 2008 playing the tape, I do.