Discussion in 'UPS Union Issues' started by JonFrum, Oct 4, 2008.

  1. JonFrum

    JonFrum Member


    Now that we UPSers have settled into our new contract with the IBT and our new single-employer pension fund, many of you may be wondering what is happening with the APWA. Are we still around, planning anything in the future? The answer to these questions is, yes. An organization that began from ground-zero just a few short years ago, today has an infrastructure consisting of thousands of members, located in all 50 states, and all of them are standing by to re-launch a new campaign to replace the Teamsters as the bargaining agent at UPS one year from now.

    But why? Shouldn’t we be content with our new contract and our new single-employer pension fund? To be sure, the new fund is a step forward, but it is hardly a finished work and language in the new fund can be very deceiving, leaves our pensions in serious financial peril should the Central States Fund ultimately collapse. UPS’s promise to make up the difference is only good for the life of this contract—nothing further.

    Make no mistake about it, the company and the IBT are very much in bed together and there is really no one out there who is looking out for us. The only reason we have this new fund at all is because of the stand so many took by joining the APWA and/or supporting its’ first campaign. And the only reason UPS and the IBT hammered out this new contract—an unprecedented full year in advance—was to shut down our card signing program prior to our being able to force a nationwide vote. But there is much more to be done and in 2009 we intend to hit the ground running in all 50 states. We also have a new strategy that begins by training and equipping numerous teams to hold meetings and collect cards throughout the country. With the infrastructure we built previously, and our new strategy, we are confident we can swiftly and efficiently replace the Teamsters entirely.

    Wouldn’t it be enough to simply force the Teamsters into making necessary changes, but retain them as our bargaining agent? No. UPS’ers deserve a union they can believe in and know that it is truly looking out for them. Frankly, any union that has to be “forced” into doing what it should cannot be trusted to maintain anything gained if the leverage (the APWA) is gone. In no time at all, we will be right back to having a union that bullies us more so than our company. The only way to guarantee that we will always have a bargaining agent we can trust is to simply change unions, embracing one that is created by UPS’ers, for UPS’ers, and nothing but UPS’ers. In addition, some of the most critical changes we seek cannot be legally accomplished without a change in bargaining agents. Principle among them is to obtain ownership of the new single-employer fund from the IBT and install the “it’s your money” policies spelled out in the APWA constitution. Other notable goals are:
    ·To remove the out-clause language currently included in the new fund and provide UPS’ers a retirement benefit they can count on for life, not just until age 65.
    ·To override state laws across the country and provide all UPS’ers their God-given “right to work” regardless of union membership.
    ·To reduce dues to 50% of what the IBT currently charges, a figure that cannot be raised without majority approval garnered by a nationwide vote.
    ·To negotiate meaningful hours control based on daily caps rather than the current 9-5 shell-game currently employed by the IBT.
    ·To end the company’s growing reliance on subcontractors moving freight that should be handled by our own feeder drivers.
    ·To provide meaningful help with grievances and to do so in a timely manner.
    ·To once and for all, provide definitive language that provides drivers the flexibility they need and want regarding when and how much break to take.
    ·And finally, to have a targeted, responsive union that is defined by the needs and wishes of UPSers rather than a clumsy, inefficient conglomerate, defined by the wishes and needs of outside interests.

    To be sure, this cause is a noble one, but this campaign, like any, takes money. For that, we have a new strategy as well. Beginning now, we are asking every hourly employee who would like to see these badly needed changes become a reality, to make a painless, one-time contribution of just $10.00. That’s it. Just ten dollars. One time. While that may not seem like much of a contribution, multiplied nationwide times the thousands of UPSers affected by these issues, we will easily have all the money we need to launch this new campaign and run it to a successful end. In the coming days you are likely to hear criticisms about the APWA, leveled against us by the IBT, suggesting that their financial strength is much stronger than ours. Just remember where they get that money. And ask yourself how much of it comes back to you in terms of service and trust. In contrast, the APWA will be positioned to accomplish the most with the least amount of burden upon you, but our failure to secure the contributions will force us to abort these plans.

    Additionally, APWA founders have pledged to do a better job of keeping supporters up to date on all that is happening across the country by means of our website, and regular newsletters, delivered on a timely basis, the first Monday of each month. You can access this vital link to us by either visiting the website at www.parcelworkers.com each month, or by selecting to have it delivered straight to your e-mail inbox. Either way, there is no cost involved.

    In closing, I would ask you to carefully consider the many times the company and the Teamsters have demonstrated they are more interested in the money you represent than in you. Then ask yourself if that makes you or your family feel secure. If not, I urge you to join with me in making the ten dollar contribution, signing an APWA card when they come out, and then boldly stepping up to a ballot box and placing an X next to our union, a union created by us and for us, a union we can finally believe in. Contributions can be via the website itself or by checks. If check is preferred, it should be made out to APWA and sent to:

    P.O. Box 58427
    Raleigh, NC 27658
  2. JonFrum

    JonFrum Member

    The above is the October 2008 Newsletter of the Parcel Workers of America as emailed by Danny Eason. Thought everyone would like to see it, supporters and detractors alike. I know I was wondering, "what ever happened to the APWA?"

    [I couldn't post a New Thread without registering so I was "forced" to register. Please, no off-topic comments on the subject of my registering. It's really not important. Never has been.]
  3. over9five

    over9five Senior Member Staff Member

    Wow, JonFrum has registered!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    <oops, sorry Jon>

    Oh, by the way, I see this is your first time posting!! Welcome to BrownCafe!
  4. soberups

    soberups Pees in the brown Koolaid

    No, the only reason that a proposal was agreed to last October was because of the new law that took effect in January that sets new funding and solvency rquirements for pensions. The AWPA had absolutely nothing to do with it and it is rather amusing and pathetic that they would try to take credit for doing so.
  5. soberups

    soberups Pees in the brown Koolaid

    Let me see if I understand this correctly. What we have here....is a new "union" that is promising to negotiate better language with UPS than we currently have....while at the same time undermining any leverage it might have by supporting "right to work" legislation that would effectively neuter it at the bargaining table. Just how stupid does this "union" think we are?

    The reality of collective bargaining is that you will only get the contract you are willing to strike for. If the membership is free to join or quit the "union" and cross any picket line which that "union" might set up....it is no longer a union at all and it has utterly no hope of being taken seriously at the bargaining table by management.

    Any "union" that would support right-to-work is a farce.
  6. soberups

    soberups Pees in the brown Koolaid

    If you go to the home page of the AWPA, you see an illustration of a tired, sad old man slumped against a wall with a little bag in front if him saying "where's my pension."

    If you look closely at the man, you will notice the blue smock with the yellow smiley face badge he is wearing. Does it look familiar? Its a Wal-Mart uniform.

    I think this picture says it all, and is a perfect emblem for the APWA. You have a non-union Walmart employee reaping the benefits of his "God-given right-to-work" that the APWA believes so strongly in. Sign me up, I want a blue smock too!
  7. tieguy

    tieguy Banned

    good for him deciding to support Cheryls hard work. I am impressed.
  8. trickpony1

    trickpony1 Well-Known Member

    Now you can negative rep him into oblivion when he expresses an opinion contrary to yours.
    How do we know this is the real JonFrum that seems to be held in such contempt for not registering even though many people seemed to enjoy his informative posts?
    It seems I remember another person posing as JonFrum and posting in a style that clearly wasn't the real JonFrum. That person was quickly rebuffed and identified as an imposter.
    Jon, is this really you?
  9. MonavieLeaker

    MonavieLeaker Bringin Teh_Lulz

    Jon has reputation disabled :happy2:
  10. trickpony1

    trickpony1 Well-Known Member

    Good for Jon.
  11. BigBrownSanta

    BigBrownSanta New Member

    I was wondering about that too. Thanks for the update.

    Your registering never mattered to me either way, but since you did. Officially, welcome to Brown Cafe JonFrum.
  12. scratch

    scratch Least Best Moderator Staff Member

    Due to abuse by a different anonymous poster, everybody has to register now to post. This is the real JonFrum that has registered. I'm glad he did, he has posted a lot of useful info for us.
  13. atatbl

    atatbl Active Member

    *clears throat*

    Told you so.
  14. BigBrownSanta

    BigBrownSanta New Member

    I apologize.
    Lasted edited by : Oct 5, 2008
  15. Cobra Agent

    Cobra Agent Mandalorian

    well said soberups, couldnt agree more
  16. 705red

    705red Browncafe Steward

    Well it has been a long time since we have had any apwa threads around here, and i for one have really missed them.

    Two knuckleheads that had given up on the brothers and sisters they work with and who have dedertified from the teamsters trying to tell us whats in our best interest.

    These two guys instead of rolling up their sleeves and getting dirty by trying to fix their local and or the teamsters decided to abandon it. Now they want us to support them?

    I have never been one to support a coward and i wont start now, van and danny are out of their minds if they believe that they still have a following. I can tell you that in chicago we have never had an out in the open apwa supporter.

    I wonder if any of the apwa supporters will flock back here now that the movement is back under way?
  17. tieguy

    tieguy Banned

    uh oh controversey already. Jon it appears trick is calling you an imposter.
  18. trickpony1

    trickpony1 Well-Known Member


    did you not do well in reading comprehension in grade school?
    I'm not calling Jon an imposter and he knows it.

    ........try again.
  19. tieguy

    tieguy Banned

    I highlighted your words to jog your memory if memory can be retained when there is no brain activity. Its clear what your words say liar.
  20. MonavieLeaker

    MonavieLeaker Bringin Teh_Lulz

    Thats more of a question asking if its the real jonfrum than saying it isnt the real jonfrum