Trucker Clock
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Don’t like facts, do you. The facts don’t fit your narrative, so you ignore them and blow them off.
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Don’t like facts, do you. The facts don’t fit your narrative, so you ignore them and blow them off.
FromOffTheStreets
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NOONE is staying here (driving for ups) for $15-20/ hr. They would have no work force. So they know they have to pay more
At the same time, noone is getting 44 + ins + pension without the union.
It would probably be a "performance" based system with cheap insurance & a small 401k match. Start at 20 & earn raises based on "their scratch #'s" maxing around 30.
Non liberal
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How do u figure? By your own stats, half the people in 9 out of 50 states makes less then we do. Who doesn’t like facts?
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Trucker Clock
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1. Counting is not your strong suit, is it?
b. How do you come up with half? It gives a range for the median salary. You guessed half. Guess again.
Non liberal
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Look at the legend as to what the different colors mean and where your salary falls among them.
Non liberal
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Yeah I’m sorry, it’s not even half
Non liberal
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You totally missed the whole point of my post. What i was referring to was the fact that lawyers in the other 40 states made more than us on average. And the vast majority of them make much much more then us. Cool?
Trucker Clock
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That was not your original point.
Yes. There are lawyers that make more than us. Yes, there are lawyers than make a whole lot more than us. But we make more than a lot of lawyers out there.
Non liberal
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When you take the total amount of lawyers, it is very small. A lawyers average salary is larger then our average salary. It’s not real hard to understand. Everybody starts somewhere. You didn’t start out making 40hr. Same with a lawyer.
Trucker Clock
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According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, the average lawyer salary in 2022 was $135K. Yes, this is more than our average salary. But, when comparing jobs, you need to include total compensation. I know, you can't buy groceries with health insurance, but you can buy groceries with the money you save by not paying for health insurance.
Lawyers typically don't get a pension. Maybe in some mega firms, but lawyers typically only get a 401K. And lawyers also typically pay a lot for healthcare. Just check out some sites with lawyers complaining about how much they have to pay. Especially in a small firm or for those that are solo with their own practice.
So, let's deduct what lawyers pay into their 401K for retirement and also deduct what they pay for medical. How about $20K a year in 401K and $10K a year in health insurance. Now, their $135K average salary drops down to $105K net income. The average UPS driver probably makes $100K-$110K, not working very much overtime.
So yes, we make more than about half the lawyers out there. Doctors too. Engineers, probably more than 3/4.
Trucker Clock
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And my jab about counting not being your strong suit, sorry, I couldn't resist, has to do with this.
There are 11 states out of 50, and no, I am not counting Puerto Rico, even though it is shown on the map. It is not a State.
Trucker Clock
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I take back that about Doctors. Even General Practitioners are up there pretty good. Dang.
ManInBrown
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You don’t understand, if we weren’t unionized and were paid $15-$20 an hour we wouldn’t be treated like dirt By management. The reason we are treated like dirt is because of how much we make. I’m not saying theyd have an easy time fielding a workforce for those wages but you best believe there would be desperate people that would do it. There’s one reason UPS pays us what they pay us. TEAMSTERS
Trucker Clock
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$20 an hour with a pension and free healthcare. You would get a lot to do the job. But not enough.
$30 an hour with a pension and free healthcare. Jobs filled.
$45 an hour with a pension and free healthcare. Thank you Teamsters!
1BROWNWRENCH
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Been here over 21 years and I just effectively get doubletime and a half for 8 hours this last Friday.
Non liberal
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lol, not even close! How do u know what they get for retirement? The average person puts nothing close to that in their 401k, if they even utilize it. You’re close on your argument with SOME lawyers, not even in the same ballpark with drs. Not to mention, we just started making 92k a year. I don’t care what you make with your overtime, that’s not an average salary. Drs and lawyers make a ton more than us just working 40hrs a week. I know most of them work more than that, which is that much more money they make. These averages are just based on a 40hr work week. Sob explained that much. Yes we make good money, but we work the hours in order to make that money.
Trucker Clock
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Simple search. Most law firms offer a 401K, not a defined pension.
The average person does not make $135K. If a lawyer wants to retire with a decent retirement fun, they better put that much in.
According to the stats, from the Government, by the way, I am right on close to half.
I said that they make a whole lot more than I thought, after doing the research. The same research I did on lawyers.
Yes it is.
Drs, yes, lawyers, no.
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