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Catatonic
Nine Lives
So we found out recently.
Catatonic
Nine Lives
So we found out recently.
wkmac
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We see Hitler from the view of "after the fact" and the same is true of Mussolini but in their day before WW2 both men were even greatly admired by other world leaders including Churchill and our own FDR. Less we forget, the world even gave Germany the 1936' Olympics in order for the world to marvel. Had history played out along a different line, our view of Hitler and Mussolini today just well might reflect the same view as many held into the latter mid-1930's when things started to go sour.
I often say, read the Doctrine of Fascism written by Mussolini and Giovanni Gentile and see if it doesn't have a rather familiar ring to it relating to our world today. What we often condemn under one name is almost exactly what we are doing albeit under a different name.
Even the symbol of Fascism, the Fasces, is a major part of our own American heraldry. Look on the wall behind the podium in the House of Congress, or on a US Dime from your pocket, or on Abraham Lincoln's statue (look upon which his hands rest on the Lincoln memorial) in Washington DC. In all 3 cases, this symbolism existed before that of Mussolini and Hitler. In the case of the dime which is from 1946', the earlier "Mercury Dime" had it as well.
The symbol of the Fasces comes from the ancient Etruscan civilization of Northern Italy (800 BCE to 400 BCE) and then absorbed and taken as symbol by the Roman Empire for which it is well known. The symbol represents the power of the magistrate and the jurisdiction there of. Proclaiming one's self as a Fascist is nothing more than proclaiming that you are ruled by someone else as you are unable to govern yourself. It's monarchy albeit expressed in another form, in our case, a form of oligarchy with the power to act as monarch.
"But we elect ours!" True but then who foots the bill for the whole process from whence our only 2 choices emerge? See Doctrine of Fascism for a hint!
We rarely create anything new, we just call it by another name and thus we think it new but the symbolism stays the same often betraying its historical roots and true grounding.
To quote Ecclesiates 1:9:
Funny as we march through time how true that statement becomes. Maybe the writer of Ecclesiates understood that people don't know nor do they want to know history and the actions of the past. Thus they are so often doomed to repeat them.
1BROWNWRENCH
Amatuer Malthusian
I'm guessing he thought he would live.
brownmonster
Man of Great Wisdom
Kochs give 7.5 million to charity in one year and 900 million to political campaigns in another.
realbrown1
Annoy a liberal today. Hit them with facts.
Catatonic
Nine Lives
God Bless the Bitch.
moreluck
golden ticket member
How much do you give to charity?
oldngray
nowhere special
From 2012 but a typical example of Koch charity:
To be sure, the Kochs have given "more than a hundred million dollars to right wing causes" (which is their right, by the way). But in the last decade, it's also worth noting the Kochs have given more than $600 million in pledged or donated money to arts, education, and medical research, including (but not limited to):
New York-Presbyterian Hospital Weill Cornell: $15 million
M.D. Anderson Cancer Center: $25 million
The Hospital for Special Surgery: $26 million
Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center: $30 million
Prostate Cancer Foundation: $41 million
Deerfield Academy: $68 million
Lincoln Center's NY State Theater: $100 million
Massachusetts Institute of Technology: $139 million
Here we have civic-minded business leaders engaging in their right to participate in the political process -- and also donating large amounts of wealth to philanthropic causes.
Oh the humanity....
http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/0...ve-more-to-charity-than-to-right-wing-causes/
To be sure, the Kochs have given "more than a hundred million dollars to right wing causes" (which is their right, by the way). But in the last decade, it's also worth noting the Kochs have given more than $600 million in pledged or donated money to arts, education, and medical research, including (but not limited to):
New York-Presbyterian Hospital Weill Cornell: $15 million
M.D. Anderson Cancer Center: $25 million
The Hospital for Special Surgery: $26 million
Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center: $30 million
Prostate Cancer Foundation: $41 million
Deerfield Academy: $68 million
Lincoln Center's NY State Theater: $100 million
Massachusetts Institute of Technology: $139 million
Here we have civic-minded business leaders engaging in their right to participate in the political process -- and also donating large amounts of wealth to philanthropic causes.
Oh the humanity....
http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/0...ve-more-to-charity-than-to-right-wing-causes/
brownmonster
Man of Great Wisdom
Solid argument.
moreluck
golden ticket member
All I saw at a glance was "late George Soros"........as Emily would say,nevermind.
realbrown1
Annoy a liberal today. Hit them with facts.
Churchill warned of Hitler in the mid-30's.We see Hitler from the view of "after the fact" and the same is true of Mussolini but in their day before WW2 both men were even greatly admired by other world leaders including Churchill and our own FDR. Less we forget, the world even gave Germany the 1936' Olympics in order for the world to marvel. Had history played out along a different line, our view of Hitler and Mussolini today just well might reflect the same view as many held into the latter mid-1930's when things started to go sour.
I often say, read the Doctrine of Fascism written by Mussolini and Giovanni Gentile and see if it doesn't have a rather familiar ring to it relating to our world today. What we often condemn under one name is almost exactly what we are doing albeit under a different name.
Even the symbol of Fascism, the Fasces, is a major part of our own American heraldry. Look on the wall behind the podium in the House of Congress, or on a US Dime from your pocket, or on Abraham Lincoln's statue (look upon which his hands rest on the Lincoln memorial) in Washington DC. In all 3 cases, this symbolism existed before that of Mussolini and Hitler. In the case of the dime which is from 1946', the earlier "Mercury Dime" had it as well.
The symbol of the Fasces comes from the ancient Etruscan civilization of Northern Italy (800 BCE to 400 BCE) and then absorbed and taken as symbol by the Roman Empire for which it is well known. The symbol represents the power of the magistrate and the jurisdiction there of. Proclaiming one's self as a Fascist is nothing more than proclaiming that you are ruled by someone else as you are unable to govern yourself. It's monarchy albeit expressed in another form, in our case, a form of oligarchy with the power to act as monarch.
"But we elect ours!" True but then who foots the bill for the whole process from whence our only 2 choices emerge? See Doctrine of Fascism for a hint!
We rarely create anything new, we just call it by another name and thus we think it new but the symbolism stays the same often betraying its historical roots and true grounding.
To quote Ecclesiates 1:9:
Funny as we march through time how true that statement becomes. Maybe the writer of Ecclesiates understood that people don't know nor do they want to know history and the actions of the past. Thus they are so often doomed to repeat them.
Do you have any quotes from Churchill praising Hitler?
Because without that quote, the rest of you post is discredited.
wkmac
Well-Known Member
"If our country were defeated, I hope we should find a champion as admirable (as Hitler) to restore our courage and lead us back to our place among the nations?"
Winston Churchill, in his Great Commentaries, 1937'
On Mussolini and fascism:
“Italy [under Mussolini] has demonstrated that the great mass of the people, when it is well led, appreciates and is ready to defend the honor and stability of civil society. It [Fascism] provides the necessary antidote to the Russian virus. Henceforth no nation will be able to imagine that it is deprived of a last means of protection against malignant tumors, and every Socialist leader in each country ought to feel more confident in resisting rash and leveling doctrines.”
Winston Churchill, Literary Digest, February 1927'
And in the case FDR and his equals in Berlin and Rome, David Boaz writing for Reason magazine circa 2007'
Hitler, Mussolini, Roosevelt
Remember, by the late 1930's everything began to change and started falling apart. Even Saddam Hussein was once our friend and ally too. Politics and the lust for power more often than not make for strange bedfellows.
Coming from a republican/so-called conservative bent, you might read Patrick Buchanan's "Churchill, Hitler and the Unnecessary War."
Winston Churchill, in his Great Commentaries, 1937'
On Mussolini and fascism:
“Italy [under Mussolini] has demonstrated that the great mass of the people, when it is well led, appreciates and is ready to defend the honor and stability of civil society. It [Fascism] provides the necessary antidote to the Russian virus. Henceforth no nation will be able to imagine that it is deprived of a last means of protection against malignant tumors, and every Socialist leader in each country ought to feel more confident in resisting rash and leveling doctrines.”
Winston Churchill, Literary Digest, February 1927'
And in the case FDR and his equals in Berlin and Rome, David Boaz writing for Reason magazine circa 2007'
Hitler, Mussolini, Roosevelt
Remember, by the late 1930's everything began to change and started falling apart. Even Saddam Hussein was once our friend and ally too. Politics and the lust for power more often than not make for strange bedfellows.
Coming from a republican/so-called conservative bent, you might read Patrick Buchanan's "Churchill, Hitler and the Unnecessary War."
MAKAVELI
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