What is very close?
If Sean is correct that they are 6-7 dollars off on starting PT wages, that doesn't sound very close.
No update for two days.
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If Sean is correct that they are 6-7 dollars off on starting PT wages, that doesn't sound very close.
You have good language on non economic things.
That's cheap, relative to wages.
Pullman Brown
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At this point, all you can do is vote them out when the time comes around. Remember he was kicked off the national negotiating committee last contract and everybody kinda knew what they were getting with this guy.
An extra paid holiday isn't cheap not only will the union people get it but also the management people that's a lot of cash
The elimination of 22.4 jobs is huge that's a lot of money
Pullman Brown
Well-Known Member
Damn day traders buying and selling options.
I agree. We got good language on that.
But none of us can say who's getting a good deal until we see what the money is.
Just A UPS Guy
Bully.
If they want to lock us out, that's one thing, but I'd have to think it's a ULP to refuse a LBFO and force us out. That's clearly not good faith bargaining. That's why I'm skeptical, if they really wanted to look serious they'd give it to SOB and make him make a move. He could choose to not let us see it, which would look bad, or he could let us vote on it and let the chips fall where they may. Either way, I'd say UPS knows their offer doesn't look good.
And pick up a little bit more additional sure post
Ensures more jobs
Teamster jobs
I'm also very happy with him getting rid of the inward facing camera even though they say it's a "sensor"
Money is very important the language is key
Pullman Brown
Well-Known Member
Honestly, I think they haven’t made a move because of what the stock is doing. They must be confident that they can retrieve most of this volume. Long view versus short view.
HarryWarden
Well-Known Member
AC won’t be cheap either
Just A UPS Guy
Bully.
Cheaper than the heat related injury that just had a driver air-lifted to a higher level of care last Friday.
HarryWarden
Well-Known Member
Also, how much volume have they really lost? I imagine most big shippers have contracts with UPS and can’t just back out, right?
HarryWarden
Well-Known Member
Is it? A dozen injuries vs how many trucks with AC and reduced MPG?
Staydryitsraining
Well-Known Member
There's 2 people who control what's almost certainly going to end in a strike. Sob and Carol. Your not getting an update because those 2 aren't talking. Only negotiating happening with this little time would be those 2. Not a group of people in a conference room.
Just A UPS Guy
Bully.
At an average cost of $53k+ it doesn't take many injuries to outweigh the cost of a/c.
The Many Costs of Neglecting Your Heat Safety Plan -- Occupational Health & Safety
It’s easy to think of heat stress as causing cramps, vomiting and even fainting. However, a severe heat illness like heat stroke can forever change or end a person’s life.
TheDudeAbides92
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Well that’s all they’re doing so
DriveInDriveOut
Inordinately Right
I'm pretty happy with the contract improvements which is why I'm not thrilled about the state of negotiations.
I don't want to think about how much support he's going to have if he calls a strike without telling the membership what they were offering.
They need to get back to negotiating or start giving more information about what we're rejecting.
TheDudeAbides92
Well-Known Member
Yeah nobody knows what’s on the table which is why this entire thing is a complete farce. I’m beginning to wonder if this baldie creep just wants to have a strike come hell or high water
Just A UPS Guy
Bully.
He may, but at this point it's on the company. As long as there's no TA and they refuse to put forth a LBFO, there's literally nothing to show us.
