Production termination!
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dilligaf
IN VINO VERITAS
I always take my breaks!
dilligaf
IN VINO VERITAS
Touche'
UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)
Well-Known Member
A true gentleman will sleep comfortably while a fool will struggle on the sofa bed.
dilligaf
IN VINO VERITAS
'snickering'
trickpony1
Well-Known Member
a very wise old man told me, "....if it flies (airplane), floats (boat) or friend's (four letter word), you're better off renting it.".
backinbrown
respect my authority
lol
IE only develops the standards for that route from the information they gathered the day of the time study. If this termination was done right, the on-road supervisor should have rode with this driver numerous times and use the information he/she gathered to determine what level the driver should perform no matter what the IE results showed. Best demonstrated level should be determined by the rides the supervisor performs with the driver and that level is what should be used instead of IE's level. IE only gives you a base to follow.
HEFFERNAN
Huge Member
He rode with the driver for 3 days and the driver agreed it was a fair number. Then the driver did much worse alone. It was by the book
local804
Well-Known Member
I would say it was his overall record not his attitude that was the reasoning for his firing just like the arbitrator stated. He had a crystal clear record and no one knew who he was at UPS till he became a steward.Then all of a sudden,after a ton of grievances filed, warning letters,suspensions and this guy was a headache. He was classified as the least best and had an ex center manager that was demoted for integrity issues in another district give him a fair ojs?
trplnkl
555
Don't you feel his attitude contributed to the over all record?
dannyboy
From the promised LAND
Dear 804.
150 grievances in 2 years? That is about one a week.
I did more in two months starting out than he did in two years, and you think that is what got him canned?
What kind of pansy shop stewards are you yankees putting in power up there? From what I understand, he filed the same type of grievances I did. But I filed a ton more. So why did they not can me?
Its cause I did not have an ax to grind. I did not try to prove to other drivers that UPS cant fire me because of numbers. I know they can. Its called stealing time.
But in his case, it was the over all record. The record showed the attitude. HE refused to work as instructed. He tried to make himself a martyr.
He reminded me of those monks in the 60's that went to the corner, poured gas on himself and struck a match.
Pure and simple, it was his actions and lack thereof that cost him his job. Not the numbers or the activities as a steward.
But keep drinking the coolaid if that is what you need to get through life.
d
150 grievances in 2 years? That is about one a week.
I did more in two months starting out than he did in two years, and you think that is what got him canned?
What kind of pansy shop stewards are you yankees putting in power up there? From what I understand, he filed the same type of grievances I did. But I filed a ton more. So why did they not can me?
Its cause I did not have an ax to grind. I did not try to prove to other drivers that UPS cant fire me because of numbers. I know they can. Its called stealing time.
But in his case, it was the over all record. The record showed the attitude. HE refused to work as instructed. He tried to make himself a martyr.
He reminded me of those monks in the 60's that went to the corner, poured gas on himself and struck a match.
Pure and simple, it was his actions and lack thereof that cost him his job. Not the numbers or the activities as a steward.
But keep drinking the coolaid if that is what you need to get through life.
d
local804
Well-Known Member
All I need is my family, some food, and a steady job to get through life. He was voted in and ran against a steward with alot of time(like yourself) and not alot of experiance. Im sure in your neck of the woods, you ran a picture perfect union and were the best steward ever. I also dont need a clown on the internet telling me how to get through life when he has been out of the company many years and boy have the times changed!
dannyboy
From the promised LAND
It seems you live in a world where stewards go off on their own and interpret the contract in their own dream world. I guess many of your membership worship him as a hero. And I guess had he not been caught with his pants down and shown to be a fool, he might have been a hero.
Around here we have a saying. And it fits his hearing to a T.
NEVER bring a knife to a gunfight. Heck, he didnt even bring his knife, he brought his brass knuckles.
I have never ever seen someone so unprepared to defend himself.
So stick up for your friend. But it really makes me wonder how a friend such as you could let him rush off and fall on his sword.
As for me being gone along time, two, well almost three years now is a life time for some people.
But things dont change all that much. Yeah, the faces do, and the terminology.
But it seems to me that a fool is a fool yesterday, today and tomorrow. And the friend of a fool that wont help prevent serious damage is a fool as well.
Best
d
Around here we have a saying. And it fits his hearing to a T.
NEVER bring a knife to a gunfight. Heck, he didnt even bring his knife, he brought his brass knuckles.
I have never ever seen someone so unprepared to defend himself.
So stick up for your friend. But it really makes me wonder how a friend such as you could let him rush off and fall on his sword.
As for me being gone along time, two, well almost three years now is a life time for some people.
But things dont change all that much. Yeah, the faces do, and the terminology.
But it seems to me that a fool is a fool yesterday, today and tomorrow. And the friend of a fool that wont help prevent serious damage is a fool as well.
Best
d
dannyboy
From the promised LAND
Im sorry T.
I guess I was raised different.
You never let a friend do something that will get him killed or has a lifetime lasting effect. At least you pick the fights, and stack the odds in your favor as best you can before swinging.
This guy cant seem to get that into his head. Others saw it. Others tried to stop him. Others tried to talk some sense into him. But not good ole 804........Wonder why?
d PS, is he tie???
I guess I was raised different.
You never let a friend do something that will get him killed or has a lifetime lasting effect. At least you pick the fights, and stack the odds in your favor as best you can before swinging.
This guy cant seem to get that into his head. Others saw it. Others tried to stop him. Others tried to talk some sense into him. But not good ole 804........Wonder why?
d PS, is he tie???
