Syria

[afterthought]

I am not an alarmist that believes the worst.

But the below facility, much research goes on there as of today.

I am sure it is all defensive. Yep that is all of it, all defensive and no offensive research at all.

And another facility being built up below:

https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&tab=core&id=85762750a8cdcca5b89e2e3a755240b0

 

[roadrunner2012]

Israel has never used chemical or nuclear weapons, even during the opening days of the Yom Kippur war when they were getting their asses kicked by the Syrians in the Golan Heights and their population centers were in danger of being overrun by Syrian armored columns. Im not saying the Israelis are saints, but they do go to great lengths to minimize civilian casualties during military operations, up to the point of putting their own pilots at risk by warning civilians to flee ahead of time in areas about to be bombed. Israel signed and has honored its peace treaties with Egypt and Jordan, and has made numerous overtures to the Syrian government that have been rejected.

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Israel is not a signatory to the Chemical Weapons Convention, nor to the Nuclear Weapons treaty. Maybe they should sign both, too

 

[soberups]

Israel is not a signatory to the Chemical Weapons Convention, nor to the Nuclear Weapons treaty. Maybe they should sign both, too

1. Israel signed the CWC, they just didnt ratify it.

2. Israel is surrounded on all sides by overtly hostile nations that either are currently at war with it or have been in the past.

3. Israels largest and most powerful neighbors (Egypt and Syria) are not signatories to the CWC either. Both of these nations are hostile to Israel, both of them have or have had stockpiles of chemical weapons and both of these nations have used chemical weapons in the past (Egypt used them against Yemen during the 1963-67 civil war and Syria has used them recently). Israel, on the other hand, has never used chemical or nuclear weapons even when its very survival as a nation was at risk in 1948 and again in 1973. If you lived in a nation that was less than 60 miles wide at its narrowest point and was surrounded on all sides by nations with chemical weapons that were committed to your destruction, you would probably want to have some nukes and chemical weapons too.

 

[soberups]

I am not an alarmist that believes the worst.

But the below facility, much research goes on there as of today.

I am sure it is all defensive. Yep that is all of it, all defensive and no offensive research at all.

And another facility being built up below:

https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&tab=core&id=85762750a8cdcca5b89e2e3a755240b0

We are allowed, under the terms of the CWC, to do research for the purpose of defending ourselves from chemical attack and for developing treatments for exposure to chemical agents.

Chemical weapons are terror weapons, not military ones. They can be as dangerous to the ones using them as they are to their intended targets. We have something like 1500 currently deployed nuclear weapons of varying yields that can be delivered with pinpoint accuracy using a variety of methods. The bottom line is that we dont need chemical weapons, we have much more reliable and efficient methods of killing large numbers of people at our disposal.

 

[wkmac]

1. Israel signed the CWC, they just didnt ratify it.

2. Israel is surrounded on all sides by overtly hostile nations that either are currently at war with it or have been in the past.

3. Israels largest and most powerful neighbors (Egypt and Syria) are not signatories to the CWC either. Both of these nations are hostile to Israel, both of them have or have had stockpiles of chemical weapons and both of these nations have used chemical weapons in the past (Egypt used them against Yemen during the 1963-67 civil war and Syria has used them recently). Israel, on the other hand, has never used chemical or nuclear weapons even when its very survival as a nation was at risk in 1948 and again in 1973. If you lived in a nation that was less than 60 miles wide at its narrowest point and was surrounded on all sides by nations with chemical weapons that were committed to your destruction, you would probably want to have some nukes and chemical weapons too.

That is a matter of debate.

Are we prepared to look at all the possible crazies that might be on the table, even the one's hiding in plain sight?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xq1-oFjuPeI

 

[soberups]

That is a matter of debate.

Are we prepared to look at all the possible crazies that might be on the table, even the one's hiding in plain sight?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xq1-oFjuPeI

The YouTube video is a load of crap.

Israel has never used chemical or nuclear weapons, unlike many of the nations (Egypt, Syria, Iraq,Iran, Libya) that completely surround it, overwhelmingly outnumber it, and have been committed to its destruction since 1948.

Israel has also abided by the peace treaties it signed with Egypt in 1979 and Jordan in 1994. Peace overtures to nations such as Syria have consistently been rejected. Israel withdrew from the Sinai Penninsula as part of its treaty with Egypt, in effect trading "land for peace" and surrendering territory comprising an area twice its original size.

Israel is less than 60 miles wide at its narrowest point, and prior to 1967 it was barely 12 miles wide. When your country is only 60 miles miles wide and you are surrounded on all sides by heavily armed nations that have been committed to your destruction for the last 65 years, pre-emptive military action is your only hope for survival. Israel simply does not have the luxury of sitting back and waiting for an attack to happen before responding to it.

 

[soberups]

Well imagine that. A diplomatic resolution to the crisis, cooperation with the Russians and the UN, and the ultimate removal and destruction of Syria's chemical weapons arsenal...all without a shot being fired.

Is the agreement perfect? No. Is it realistic to expect that Assad will hand all of them over without holding a few back? Probably not. But the situation is certainly far better today than it was 2 weeks ago, and the fact that we retain the right to use military force will motivate Assad to comply and not use them again.

 

[soberups]

Israeli air force pilots routinely place their own lives in danger by dropping Arabic-language leaflets over targets several hours before bombing them, warning civilians to flee the area. The IDF also issues warnings over Arabic language radio stations, as well as sending text messages to all civilian cell phones in the targeted area.

Think about that for a minute. Giving your enemy advance warning about where and when you are going to drop bombs allows that enemy to prepare anti-aircraft defenses for that area. The Israelis do this anyway, in order to minimize civilian casualties even though it places their pilots and aircraft in grave danger of being shot down.

By their actions, the Israelis show that they have far more regard for human life and the protection of innocent civilians than do the governments of many of the hostile nations that surround them.

Israel’s Heroic Restraint | National Review Online

 

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[Babagounj]

[h=2]Report: American-Supplied Weapons Fell Into Al-Qaeda’s Hands During ISIL Raid On Free Syrian Army Weapons Depot…[/h]

The Supreme Military Council, led by Gen. Idriss, has been the focus of U.S. efforts to bring a command-and-control structure to rebels–but has now lost to the Islamist extremists most of its ability to operate in some parts of the north. ISIS fighters recently raided a council arms depot filled with light weapons and ammunition, funded by the Gulf states and funneled to the council with the guidance of the Central Intelligence Agency, council members said.
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The ISIS is, of course, the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, one of two al Qaeda affiliates fighting in Syria. The other is the Al Nusrah Front, which continues to fight alongside its ISIL brethren despite a dispute between the two affiliates’ emirs.

 

[roadrunner2012]

Funded by the Gulf States. You did highlight that part, did it not make an impression? You do seem easily impressed

 

[Babagounj]

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[Babagounj]

Funded by the Gulf States. You did highlight that part, did it not make an impression? You do seem easily impressed

Are those the same Gulf States that bhos mentioned a few months ago ?
( which were really east coast states ) .

 

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