Why? whats wrong here?

Discussion in 'UPS Discussions' started by nocturnalbuck, Jan 15, 2016.

  1. nocturnalbuck

    nocturnalbuck Member

    In our area we can use a week of vacation as single days. similar to personal days, they must be requested 8 days prior. Friday morning , I put in for a request off (unpaid) for the following Monday. I am full rate. 2 other full rate drivers also asked off. I am the only one of the 3 who selected a week of single days. I was told if a person has single days they MUST be used. I refused to use one. Our schedule has those 2 listed under request off (one is lower seniority) and I'm on a route I havent done for years. There are also 4 lower senior drivers on call(not full rate). Why wouldnt UPS want to run one of these guys over me? Why should I have to burn a single day when others do not? What am I missing here?
  2. newfie

    newfie Well-Known Member

    what did they say when you asked them?
  3. Austin.Was.My.Hero

    Austin.Was.My.Hero quod erat demonstrandum

  4. FrigidFTSup

    FrigidFTSup Resident Suit

    You really can't figure it out.? You elected to use a week of vacation as single days off and the other guys didn't.

    They probably don't have entitlement days available. Worry about yourself and not others.
  5. Jones

    Jones fILE A GRIEVE! Staff Member

    They tried this around here once, just file on it and they will back off.
  6. UpstateNYUPSer

    UpstateNYUPSer Very proud grandfather.

    This is exactly why I say that drivers should be forced to use all of their paid days before being allowed to take "dead days".
  7. Overpaid Union Thug

    Overpaid Union Thug Eva Mendez Has A Nice (_!_)

    In my supplement those days are supposed to be used the first 8 days we don't work. However, it's not enforced and people will spread them out though the year.
  8. newfie

    newfie Well-Known Member

    if you owned your own business would you hire extra people to cover unpaid days off? you want optional holidays, sick days, vacation days used individually and how many unpaid days every year?
  9. clean hairy

    clean hairy Well-Known Member

    We have folks here will request off during the year to save those single vacation days for later in the year also.
  10. Funfact

    Funfact Well-Known Member

    Your not entitle to take unpaid days off just because you want to unless you out of days. Some buildings might allow it to happen but there is no language in the contract that says you can request a day off without pay.

    Remember you weren't told you couldn't have the day off. You were told you couldn't have the day off unpaid as you still have days available to use. There is nothing you can do you don't have a case the union wants you to work as UPS pays into union run benefits based on days you work and get paid for not for dead days.
  11. Jones

    Jones fILE A GRIEVE! Staff Member

    You should stick to answering the phone. In the Atlantic Area if there are extra drivers then unpaid days off have to be offered in seniority order and no, the company can't force you to use personal or vacation days.
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  12. nocturnalbuck

    nocturnalbuck Member

    They say they are abiding by the contract. Look, I didnt really need the day off. I was just willing to let someone else work that day since we have so many drivers wanting to work. If they want to pay someone $35/hr vs. $20 that seems like a poor business decision. I feel bad for stock owners.
  13. Brownslave688

    Brownslave688 You want a toe? I can get you a toe.

    No that's entirely dependent on where you are.

    Here as has been said a million times. Seniority gives you the right to work. It does not give you the right not to work.
  14. Jones

    Jones fILE A GRIEVE! Staff Member

    Read it again, I said "in the Atlantic Area". Seniority does give us the right to go home when we have extra drivers.
  15. Brownslave688

    Brownslave688 You want a toe? I can get you a toe.

    I missed the period. I thought you were telling him to answer phones in the Atlantic. Lol

    Either way very few supplements have that language.
  16. Crazy Diamond

    Crazy Diamond Robot Extraordinaire

    But, you have to report for work. Which, would make submitting a request for time off moot.
  17. Jones

    Jones fILE A GRIEVE! Staff Member

    True that, but they do have to let you go home in seniority order and they can't make you burn a personal.
  18. Jackburton

    Jackburton Gone Fish'n

    Southern Supplement Art 64 reads the same. This doesn't matter if you report or not, management calling you and asking you if you want the day off or coming in and there's extra bodies.


    When time off is available it shall be offered in seniority order by classification as long as it does not result in economic cost to the Employer.
  19. Jones

    Jones fILE A GRIEVE! Staff Member

    Our language is a little better because it doesn't let them weasel about the "economic cost".
    Voluntary time off will be offered in seniority order in each center.

    Every supplement should have language like this.

    QKRSTKR Active Member

    Here if you elect to take a vacation as single vacation days then the first 5 days your scheduled to work and don't will be paid as single vacation days.

    I don't know where your at but central states here your management team would be correct. If you don't take a week as svd and ask for time off it would be unpaid. Request off.