XL Oil Pipeline

realbrown1

Annoy a liberal today. Hit them with facts.
So why doesn't Canada just build refineries?
Why? Do they need more gas?

It's more profitable to send it to US refineries. The problem is that they are sending the most oil the system can hold. But Canada can produce more.

I say let them. Build the Kenstone XL. Get those temp construction jobs and perminent refinery jobs. Lower the worldwide price of oil.

After all, in Obama's 6 years in office, he has approved 81 other pipelines to be built. He has denied zero pipelines except for rthe Keystone XL. And that was to only satisfy one of his largest political contributors..
 

realbrown1

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Seems like a lot of unnecessary transport especially if between the US, Canada, and Mexico the US demand could be met.
Who are you to determine how much oil it would take to meet our demand?

Canada has every right to produce as much oil as they wish.

And it will help the US with temporary high paying construction jobs, and permanent pipeline maintenance jobs and permanent refinery jobs.

Who are you to deny these added jobs?
 

Nimnim

The Nim
Do any of you understand why XL was vetoed?

It's not about a pipeline, but about a treaty that favors one company over another. A non American company that wants eminent domain rights over our citizens.

Honestly...

Honestly if that is the reason it was vetoed why isn't that being shouted from the rooftops/pulpit and being used by the democrats to politically slaughter the republicans?

It would be a pretty easy political win if it is used.
 

Babagounj

Strength through joy
http://www.eia.gov/countries/regions-topics2.cfm?fips=WOTC
The U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA) defines world oil chokepoints as narrow channels along widely-used global sea routes, some so narrow that restrictions are placed on the size of the vessel that can navigate through them.
Chokepoints are a critical part of global energy security because of the high volume of petroleum and other liquids transported through their narrow straits.
International energy markets depend on reliable transport routes.
Blocking a chokepoint, even temporarily, can lead to substantial increases in total energy costs and world energy prices.
Chokepoints also leave oil tankers vulnerable to theft from pirates, terrorist attacks, shipping accidents that can lead to disastrous oil spills, and political unrest in the form of wars or hostilities.

 

The Other Side

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Honestly if that is the reason it was vetoed why isn't that being shouted from the rooftops/pulpit and being used by the democrats to politically slaughter the republicans?

It would be a pretty easy political win if it is used.


It is being said, just not on FOX news or any other right wing media outlet.

Try changing the channel, eh?

Like I said before, some of you call yourselves patriots, yet, stand against the home owner, land owner, business owner who is about to lose his/her property through eminent domain to a foreign country and company for profit.

Honestly, there is nothing patriotic about that.

TOS.
 

rickyb

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Former chief climate scientist jim hansen called keystone XL the end game for climate change. I heard they are already getting the oil some other way so it doesnt really matter. mankind will go extinct.
 

rickyb

Well-Known Member
Who are you to determine how much oil it would take to meet our demand?

Canada has every right to produce as much oil as they wish.

And it will help the US with temporary high paying construction jobs, and permanent pipeline maintenance jobs and permanent refinery jobs.

Who are you to deny these added jobs?

theres something wrong with an economy if you have to threaten the long term survival of mankind for short term "good" jobs.

canada and americas climate policies are abysmal. we are amongst the top polluting countries in the world, and our cheap dirty energy is messing with europes sustainable clean energy plan.
 

Morsi

Active Member
Canadian tar sands oil is safe. Only super left wing ultra (not in my back yard) eviromentalists say different.

And why Ottawa? They need that oil to get to the gulf refineries because those refineries are designed to process the type of oil Canadian tar sands produces.
Wrong

Tar sands oil has been proven to be extremely detrimental to the environment in many ways. For one just getting to the oil sands means clearing trees and brush and topsoil that sits atop the oil sands deposit. The extraction process is no better due to the fact that it takes four tons of sand and four barrels of fresh water to make a barrel of oil, which is the equivalent of about 42 gallons. Extracting and burning tar sands oil also produces a byproduct called “petcoke” — a coal-like, high-sulfur, high-carbon solid that burns dirtier than coal.

This is because naturally present metals like nickle iron and mercury are concentrated during the extraction process which has unsurprisingly led to complaints of mercury contamination nearby rivers and streams and may be to blame for higher rates of cancer in surrounding villages/towns.

That doesn't even address the problem of emissions. Of course burning any kind of oil produces greenhouse gas emissions ,but tar sands is something else. It's estimated that tar sands oil emmits about 5% to 15% more carbon dioxide than regular oil.

To put it frankly the tarsands pipeline is one of if not the greatest threat to the environmental health of the north american continent and perhaps even the world, anything that prevents this cancer causing fresh air water soil polluting substance from getting to texas will go along way towards curbing climate change and giving us some time to soften the already impending consequences.

Of course i admit you may not not believe in climate change, in which case i sincerely hope god does.

PS: "super left wing ultra environmentalists" are not the only ones against this.

South Dakota Sioux tribe calls Keystone XL pipeline approval 'act of war'

http://www.theguardian.com/environm...-keystone-xl-pipeline-south-dakota-act-of-war
 
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realbrown1

Annoy a liberal today. Hit them with facts.
Wrong

Tar sands oil has been proven to be extremely detrimental to the environment in many ways. For one just getting to the oil sands means clearing trees and brush and topsoil that sits atop the oil sands deposit. The extraction process is no better due to the fact that it takes four tons of sand and four barrels of fresh water to make a barrel of oil, which is the equivalent of about 42 gallons. Extracting and burning tar sands oil also produces a byproduct called “petcoke” — a coal-like, high-sulfur, high-carbon solid that burns dirtier than coal.

This is because naturally present metals like nickle iron and mercury are concentrated during the extraction process which has unsurprisingly led to complaints of mercury contamination nearby rivers and streams and may be to blame for higher rates of cancer in surrounding villages/towns.

That doesn't even address the problem of emissions. Of course burning any kind of oil produces greenhouse gas emissions ,but tar sands is something else. It's estimated that tar sands oil emmits about 5% to 15% more carbon dioxide than regular oil.

To put it frankly the tarsands pipeline is one of if not the greatest threat to the environmental health of the north american continent and perhaps even the world, anything that prevents this cancer causing fresh air water soil polluting substance from getting to texas will go along way towards curbing climate change and giving us some time to soften the already impending consequences.

Of course i admit you may not not believe in climate change, in which case i sincerely hope god does.

PS: "super left wing ultra environmentalists" are not the only ones against this.

South Dakota Sioux tribe calls Keystone XL pipeline approval 'act of war'

http://www.theguardian.com/environm...-keystone-xl-pipeline-south-dakota-act-of-war
Trees can be re-grown.
Topsoil can be replaced.

And the tar sands oil is very similar to the oil that comes from the gulf region.

Democrats: they don't need 1 good reason to stop energy production. They already have thousands of bogus ones all ready to go.
 

Morsi

Active Member
Trees can be re-grown.
Topsoil can be replaced.

And the tar sands oil is very similar to the oil that comes from the gulf region.

Democrats: they don't need 1 good reason to stop energy production. They already have thousands of bogus ones all ready to go.
And your point is?

Just making the stuff means you have to destroy the environment, period. On top of that studies have shown that extraction companies are not abiding by govt restoration standards. Which is to say they arn't growing as many tree's as they cutting.

Besides, saying you can always grow more trees is like an alcoholic saying they can always grow more brain cells, not a very good plan.

Republicans: Always making excuses to screw other people over, until it comes into their backyard.
 

realbrown1

Annoy a liberal today. Hit them with facts.
And your point is?

Just making the stuff means you have to destroy the environment, period. On top of that studies have shown that extraction companies are not abiding by govt restoration standards. Which is to say they arn't growing as many tree's as they cutting.

Besides, saying you can always grow more trees is like an alcoholic saying they can always grow more brain cells, not a very good plan.

Republicans: Always making excuses to screw other people over, until it comes into their backyard.
Did I say something incorrect, because you say I an making things up, but you did not say what it was. Rather conveniently for you I might add.

Sorry that I hurt your liberal/socialist/muslim feelings, but no need to get all butthurt over it.
 

realbrown1

Annoy a liberal today. Hit them with facts.
Your confusion is pretty :(
Still won't say what I MADE UP?

Sounds like you didn't any facts to actually refute what I said.

Sorry that you are not better at this, but hey, you always can pm rickyb. I think you 2 would really get along.
 

ImWaitingForTheDay

Annoy a conservative....Think for yourself
In point of fact, over 71% of the Tar Sands is NOT owned by Canada or Canadian companies - the second largest shareholder in terms of acres and production is the Koch Bros. This is about sending oil from Canada to foreign nations using both Canada and the US as facilitators who assume all the environmental risk without any benefit to either nation. Period.
 

oldngray

nowhere special
In point of fact, over 71% of the Tar Sands is NOT owned by Canada or Canadian companies - the second largest shareholder in terms of acres and production is the Koch Bros. This is about sending oil from Canada to foreign nations using both Canada and the US as facilitators who assume all the environmental risk without any benefit to either nation. Period.

Who owns the land doesn't matter. The oil is going to be shipped anyway. It is only whether it goes by pipeline or by rail (where Soros and Buffet make money).
 

rickyb

Well-Known Member
Still won't say what I MADE UP?

Sounds like you didn't any facts to actually refute what I said.

Sorry that you are not better at this, but hey, you always can pm rickyb. I think you 2 would really get along.

u spend too much time talking and not enough time learning
 

Catatonic

Nine Lives
Who owns the land doesn't matter. The oil is going to be shipped anyway. It is only whether it goes by pipeline or by rail (where Soros and Buffet make money).
There you go.
Ask West Virginia about railroad tankers full of gas and oil.
I would think a pipeline would be less detrimental and controllable than railroad tankers full of oil products not to mention truck tankers.
If the oil is acquired, it will be transported somewhere and eventually everywhere.
Maybe the answer is building refineries in the Dakotas and transport by train.
 

oldngray

nowhere special
There you go.
Ask West Virginia about railroad tankers full of gas and oil.
I would think a pipeline would be less detrimental and controllable than railroad tankers full of oil products not to mention truck tankers.
If the oil is acquired, it will be transported somewhere and eventually everywhere.
Maybe the answer is building refineries in the Dakotas and transport by train.

Maybe Canada could build a refinery for ricky to work at.
 
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