3 day ride and my experience

[brownmonster]

They didn't get a raise, we did.

 

[trplnkl]

UpsLifer posted:
Tie - I got to agree with you on NI1. Something isn't right. I would NEVER waste one of my supervisors days on someone who is under-allowed. If it is a 9.5 problem than work it out with the driver. Why in the hell would you want to piss off a driver who is under-allowed?? Absolutely does not make any sense????!!
UpsLifer, I just wish that more management had the same common sense that you have.
They don't worry about pissing off drivers. In fact I sometimes think that is the goal.
Also, he said that management "tightened" up the area and took stops off of him. With the low amount of delivery stops that are out there today, how do you do this without it being obvious? .
They don't care if it is obvious, drivers notice it when it happens but it doesn't change anything
... Not sure we are getting the whole picture on this.
It looks to be pretty much the whole picture to me, it's been the same picture painted in our center.

browniehound said:
UPS wants to pays its SUPS. for three days or 700 hundred dollars to get an extra .2 or .3 SPOHR from its drivers who are actually MAKING the SPOHR and MONEY.

Why do they go through something that can't be enforced. It can't be enforced. I've never seen or heard of a driver being fired for production. Its just not going to happen. Why committ the man power at 700 dollars every 3 days for nothing in return..question mark..

It's was a stated policy in our center that any driver that files for over 9.5, will be ridden with for 3 days to lock in the SPORH for that route. Period, no exceptions.
Why would they do this if drivers are actually putting up good numbers? It is an intimidation tool, plain and simple. It's an attempt to scare drivers away from filing. However when it didn't work and more and more drivers began to file they changed the strategy.
Now they don't do the 3 day rides, they just dead lock the panel hearings on the grievances until they get to the National 9.5 committee who in turn says to kick it back to local. Then the process of dead locking begins again. We are now on round three of grievances that have been file before peak season last year. And guess what, it's working because many of the drivers that had been filing have given up and stopped filing.
and some of you don't understand why I keep asking where UPS's integrity is hidden.

 

[NI1]

The story continues.....

Well, now they have this thing (a presentation) that they call 7 drivers at a time every morning so that they can demonstrate the drivers proper methods on delivering and they also mentioned something about how to be 'faster'. I am not sure what they are trying to accomplish here but it is what it is now.

And yeah I agree that whenever I got to work my goal is to deliver every package in my truck in an efficient and safe manner. And that is what I am going to do everyday.

 

[partykid]

My very first center manager gave me a catch-phrase that I use to this date:

Safely Aggresive

When he first said this, I had no clue what he was talking about. Now I do.

Heff, 5 mph is not going to make any difference in re: to controlling the vehicle and will only reward you with a tailgater. They put those signs on the side of the road for a reason and then put cops on the side of the road for another reason.

I am by no means advocating speeding--I do advocate driving at or very near the speed limit (within 2 mph at most).

BTW, I have drive through CT enough times to know that you are definitely in the minority.

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[Thebrownavenger]

So, you run over allowed, your sup rides with you, tells you that you are driving too slow, and you refuse to listen. Where I'm at, you're gone, failure to follow methods plus failure to work as directed. You are not paid to think, you are paid to give a fair days work for a fair days pay, and it's obvious on this methods ride you decided to try to find ways to slow down to justify you piss poor performance. Guess what? We pay you the high wages to perform at a high rate of speed. Don't like it? Be a man and quit, instead of stealing a paycheck from the company.

You my friend are "mentally constipated". People like you with your stinkin thinkin are the reason good hard working people struggle to show up for work. Don't be surprised when somebody goes postal on your !!

 

[stevetheupsguy]

You my friend are "mentally constipated". People like you with your stinkin thinkin are the reason good hard working people struggle to show up for work. Don't be surprised when somebody goes postal on your !!

Trouble with this is, they love when people say stuff like this. It's like they thrive on pissing people off. Why can't we all just get along?

 

[partykid]

You my friend are "mentally constipated". People like you with your stinkin thinkin are the reason good hard working people struggle to show up for work. Don't be surprised when somebody goes postal on your !!

SUPERSUP says we are not paid to think.....WHAT a joke!!!! Still laughing here at that one

 

[trplnkl]

maybe it's time for someone to post the pic that reads, "Don't feed the Trolls"

 

[BCFan]

First of all, I am not your friend.

Yes, I am doing a good job and they know it. I filled for 9.5 and the following week I am getting this so called 3 day ride to find fault on my end. Well guess what, they did not find any and I am going to get paid. Its a free country believe it or not, I could care less. Facts wont change...

I am your FRIEND Tie!!!!! BC

 

[Just Numbers]

So, you run over allowed, your sup rides with you, tells you that you are driving too slow, and you refuse to listen. Where I'm at, you're gone, failure to follow methods plus failure to work as directed. You are not paid to think, you are paid to give a fair days work for a fair days pay, and it's obvious on this methods ride you decided to try to find ways to slow down to justify you piss poor performance. Guess what? We pay you the high wages to perform at a high rate of speed. Don't like it? Be a man and quit, instead of stealing a paycheck from the company.

Have seen a lot of supersups in my career. The REAL supersups earn the respect. The others just disappear and rightfully so. Not disputing some of the points, they may be justified, then again not. To make a statement: You are not paid to think. That is the most asinine remark. Using methods is noting but using best practices and thinking them through.

 

[UPS Lifer]

Have seen a lot of supersups in my career. The REAL supersups earn the respect. The others just disappear and rightfully so. Not disputing some of the points, they may be justified, then again not. To make a statement: You are not paid to think. That is the most asinine remark. Using methods is noting but using best practices and thinking them through.

I have seen it time and time again.... supervisors who think they are better than the people they supervise will get bit by KARMA.

As far as any OJS goes... if you get on the car to get a driver it will bite you in the arse at some point. INTENT - INTENT ! Get on the car to help the driver improve their technique and their methods and everyone wins. This is the RIGHT INTENT!

Just trying to help the young sups out there not screw up. I had to learn the hard way.... hope you don't have to!

 

[Coldworld]

I have seen it time and time again.... supervisors who think they are better than the people they supervise will get bit by KARMA.

As far as any OJS goes... if you get on the car to get a driver it will bite you in the arse at some point. INTENT - INTENT ! Get on the car to help the driver improve their technique and their methods and everyone wins. This is the RIGHT INTENT!

Just trying to help the young sups out there not screw up. I had to learn the hard way.... hope you don't have to!

thanks for that post lifer, wish more folks thought this way...

 

[stevetheupsguy]

The threats continue, even though I don't care about a 3, 5 or 2 week long OJS. I hardly ever read the report in the morning, but someone said my name was circled and I should see the report. My board got screwed up yesterday. The screen faded to where I couldn't see the top half and could barely read the bottom half. I called for a new board and continued slowly trying to figure out the board functions. After about an hour I received the new board and used it till I was done.

I was able to punch both boards out, but the OMS had trouble combining the info on my time card. Turns out that instead of having run 14sporh at 133 over, I actually was punched out at exactly 9.50 at 53 under, though I don't know what the sporh was. Supe was all ready to jump all over me, for nothing. To top this all off, the OMS took the bad board put it back in my slot, and this was the board that was uploaded for me this morning.

 

[tieguy]

I am your FRIEND Tie!!!!! BC

LOL.

BC where you been hiding.

 

[Dagoof]

Got followed for about 3 stops today. Now they are grasping at straws to find what to blame my poor time study and modified 3 day over allowed on. I was told that I was walking too slow and I need to pick up the pace.

 

[stevetheupsguy]

Got followed for about 3 stops today. Now they are grasping at straws to find what to blame my poor time study and modified 3 day over allowed on. I was told that I was walking too slow and I need to pick up the pace.

I always reply, you have your pace (frantic, gonna hurt yourself one day), and I have mine (live to see another day, retire and be able to bend over and pick up my grandkids.)

 

[UPS Lifer]

Got followed for about 3 stops today. Now they are grasping at straws to find what to blame my poor time study and modified 3 day over allowed on. I was told that I was walking too slow and I need to pick up the pace.

The work pace is 3 feet a second. This is an average pace. If you have a shorter stride you may have to move a little quicker. If you are taller and have a long stride it may appear that you are walking slowly.

Just maintain 3 ft a sec. and you will be ok!

 

[tieguy]

I always reply, you have your pace (frantic, gonna hurt yourself one day), and I have mine (live to see another day, retire and be able to bend over and pick up my grandkids.)

it may now I know I'm I may be stretching things a bit but it may just be possible to maintain a brisk walk pace and still be ok when you retire.

In fact that brisk walk pace may be the reason some people have thier health when they retire. For some strange reason some people actually try to go out for a brisk hour walk to maintain their health.

 

[pickup]

The work pace is 3 feet a second. This is an average pace. If you have a shorter stride you may have to move a little quicker. If you are taller and have a long stride it may appear that you are walking slowly.

Just maintain 3 ft a sec. and you will be ok!

Daryl Strawberry, when he played for the mets in the 80's was tall and had a long stride and he was accused many times of lollygagging when running after a fly ball in the outfield. He was hustling, but it didn't appear that way because of the long strides he took. He covered a lot of ground but he still took the heat when the fly ball ( actually, more of something between a line drive and a fly ball) dropped just past his outreached glove.. Other players, obviously hustling, wouldn't have been close to that ball when it dropped. He may have had a lot of other problems, but hustling wasn't one of them.

 

[stevetheupsguy]

I always reply, you have your pace (frantic, gonna hurt yourself one day), and I have mine (live to see another day, retire and be able to bend over and pick up my grandkids.)

I guess I need to clarify what I mean. My pace is brisk, not frantic. I do a great job, and no one is going to try to step on my heels to get me moving as fast as "they" want. Since I'm on a tear, I may as well continue my rant by stating that I am not going to start picking through the load either.

Yes, I'm near that plaza, yes I could probably step over a few pkgs to deliver those stops, no I am not going to do that. The stops are put into order for a reason. I will deliver them in that order, until the very last pkgs are delivered. Why try reinventing the wheel? End of rant!