Advice needed - a driver in "training" and alot of frustration

BurntSienna

Well-Known Member
Same story up here in the Northeast. I've been trying almost 3 yrs to become a full time driver. I've been a seasonal driver, air driver and worked preload. Made book as a part timer and have great benefits. I work a 2nd job to make ends meet. The difference is I don't have kids and my wife has a good job. Otherwise I wouldn't be able to stick it out this long.
 

UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)

Well-Known Member
Same story up here in the Northeast. I've been trying almost 3 yrs to become a full time driver. I've been a seasonal driver, air driver and worked preload. Made book as a part timer and have great benefits. I work a 2nd job to make ends meet. The difference is I don't have kids and my wife has a good job. Otherwise I wouldn't be able to stick it out this long.

The only way our family made it through the 11 months it took for me to get my seniority was my ex's good job (she is an RN). Yes, I worked two PT jobs on the side, but they didn't come close to providing the income that we needed at the time.
 

MC0493

Well-Known Member
It's unfortunately part of the probation period. Some people get through rather smoothly, others not so much. If he's come this far you might as well finish. Might take another month or so but on the other side is a job that pays well with benefits. Working on and off pays better than no work at all.
 

Turdferguson

Just a turd
Hi everyone,

My husband was a Seasonal driver over the Christmas holiday. That ended January 15th. He wanted to stay on as a permanent employee, but that didn't work out. About a month later though, his supervisor called him and told him they really wanted him back and if he wanted to come back, it was his, but that it wouldn't be for 2-3 more weeks. OK. So we waited. Finally got a call to come in and it was a day here, a day off there, a few more days worked and a whole lot more off. This continued for awhile and then he was sent to Integrad in Dallas. This was the beginning of March. He passed that and we were thinking "OK, on to full time 40 hours". Wrong. They jerked him around for a long time - same thing - he'd go into the hub and wait around until sometimes 11am, only to find out there was no work for him. Talk about frustrating. This happened SO many times. They kept promising this "training route" that finally started beginning of April. It's supposed to be 30 working days. We are at May 11th and he's only had like, maybe, 10 of those days done because he basically never works a Monday because of there not being enough volume - there was a week in there he didnt' work ONE SINGLE day. Most weeks we are lucky to get 3-4 days worked. I could be off on numbers on all of this, but I know for certain we are nowhere near close to being through this stupid training packet. His supervisor has been on him because he apparently isn't finishing the route in the time he's supposed to and apparently these training routes are designed so he can "bonus" on them and well, he's not. His supervisor rode with him those first 3 days and they were coming in at 8:30 at night so he KNOWS it's impossible to do! That's a whole other issue - we knew to expect some later nights but he's not getting home until at least 8:30 at night and that's leaving the house at 8:15 in the morning (a 30-40 minute commute to the hub and a 9:20 start time). This makes for a VERY long day when we have 4 kids. Of course, he has to take a lunch which just makes it all the worse in terms of getting home at a decent hour.

So we have a ton of issues here:

a LOT of days off because of low volume - we never get a 40 hour paycheck.

Supervisors on him because he's not finishing fast enough, even though he's literally killing himself out there.

LONG days for not a whole lot of pay when he does work

The insult to injury this week is that he was informed he doesn't receive benefits (insurance) for 90 days AFTER his training packet is done. 90 working days!!! Talk about a blow to the stomach. We naively thought he would get it 90 days after his start date, which was in February. Wrong. 90 working days after a training packet that we can't get through because he's not working 5 days a week!

Any advice or tips on how to get his truck better loaded? He's saying his truck is a mess and that's contributing to a lot of time to find his packages. He's also running 3-4 misloads a day. Is that typical?

Honestly he's about to throw in the towel. For $18.75 and hour and these hours plus all the other issues above - yeah, he's really super frustrated. Can anyone say if all of these things are normal or not or what we can do? I'm not quite sure how they are able to get anyone to work there that has a family. My husband coaches football for his son's and well, I have no idea how that's even going to happen. Of course now he's hearing there is talk of mandatory Saturday's. Ugh....my Aunt retired from UPS after 30 some years as a driver, which is why I suggested it because she is doing pretty well in retirement and they were always good to her. I remember she never got home past 5-5:30 at night. I know, those were the days, I guess.

Thanks for any insight/advice.

He should find a diffrent job, he won't make it. They will DQ him before he gets senority
 

burrheadd

KING Of GIFS
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Hi everyone,

My husband was a Seasonal driver over the Christmas holiday. That ended January 15th. He wanted to stay on as a permanent employee, but that didn't work out. About a month later though, his supervisor called him and told him they really wanted him back and if he wanted to come back, it was his, but that it wouldn't be for 2-3 more weeks. OK. So we waited. Finally got a call to come in and it was a day here, a day off there, a few more days worked and a whole lot more off. This continued for awhile and then he was sent to Integrad in Dallas. This was the beginning of March. He passed that and we were thinking "OK, on to full time 40 hours". Wrong. They jerked him around for a long time - same thing - he'd go into the hub and wait around until sometimes 11am, only to find out there was no work for him. Talk about frustrating. This happened SO many times. They kept promising this "training route" that finally started beginning of April. It's supposed to be 30 working days. We are at May 11th and he's only had like, maybe, 10 of those days done because he basically never works a Monday because of there not being enough volume - there was a week in there he didnt' work ONE SINGLE day. Most weeks we are lucky to get 3-4 days worked. I could be off on numbers on all of this, but I know for certain we are nowhere near close to being through this stupid training packet. His supervisor has been on him because he apparently isn't finishing the route in the time he's supposed to and apparently these training routes are designed so he can "bonus" on them and well, he's not. His supervisor rode with him those first 3 days and they were coming in at 8:30 at night so he KNOWS it's impossible to do! That's a whole other issue - we knew to expect some later nights but he's not getting home until at least 8:30 at night and that's leaving the house at 8:15 in the morning (a 30-40 minute commute to the hub and a 9:20 start time). This makes for a VERY long day when we have 4 kids. Of course, he has to take a lunch which just makes it all the worse in terms of getting home at a decent hour.

So we have a ton of issues here:

a LOT of days off because of low volume - we never get a 40 hour paycheck.

Supervisors on him because he's not finishing fast enough, even though he's literally killing himself out there.

LONG days for not a whole lot of pay when he does work

The insult to injury this week is that he was informed he doesn't receive benefits (insurance) for 90 days AFTER his training packet is done. 90 working days!!! Talk about a blow to the stomach. We naively thought he would get it 90 days after his start date, which was in February. Wrong. 90 working days after a training packet that we can't get through because he's not working 5 days a week!

Any advice or tips on how to get his truck better loaded? He's saying his truck is a mess and that's contributing to a lot of time to find his packages. He's also running 3-4 misloads a day. Is that typical?

Honestly he's about to throw in the towel. For $18.75 and hour and these hours plus all the other issues above - yeah, he's really super frustrated. Can anyone say if all of these things are normal or not or what we can do? I'm not quite sure how they are able to get anyone to work there that has a family. My husband coaches football for his son's and well, I have no idea how that's even going to happen. Of course now he's hearing there is talk of mandatory Saturday's. Ugh....my Aunt retired from UPS after 30 some years as a driver, which is why I suggested it because she is doing pretty well in retirement and they were always good to her. I remember she never got home past 5-5:30 at night. I know, those were the days, I guess.

Thanks for any insight/advice.
 

barnyard

KTM rider
How long did it take most of you to qualify?

It is insanely rare for someone to qualify in late Winter/early Spring. No one is on vacation and there are FT people that want to work but are also laid off. Until people start taking vacations, you should expect more of the same.

If you think your husband can find a better gig, do it.
 

Brownslave688

You want a toe? I can get you a toe.
Suck it up buttercup. This is what he signed up for. He should be grateful they even decided to use him after peak. Most people wait 5+ years on the inside before they get a chance to go full time.

He needs to stop and set up his shelves as he works. If he's spending more then 30 seconds finding a package at multiple stops. Take 25 minutes of break and organize your packages in order. Then you won't lose any time organizing.

Job comes with overtime. Most drivers work 10+ hours a day. And benefits after 90 days of making book as a driver? Be happy over that. Takes 6 months here for full timers to get theirs. A full year for it to cover their families too.

If he is still having problems he needs to find out which driver usually runs this route and ask for advice and tips. And if that driver says the route can't be scratched he should try talking to shop steward. Document everything and good luck.

Hate to burst your bubble though. He's probably just being used for now as a fill in. Unless he really impresses them with production I wouldn't hold my breath. Took a buddy of mine from June all the way through the peak black out and into may to finally get his blessing and make book. Have fun.
 

MrBates

Well-Known Member
They jerked him around for a long time - same thing - he'd go into the hub and wait around until sometimes 11am, only to find out there was no work for him. Talk about frustrating. This happened SO many times. They kept promising this "training route" that finally started beginning of April.

You have just described the plight of every single UPS driver that went thru the qualification process.

we knew to expect some later nights but he's not getting home until at least 8:30 at night and that's leaving the house at 8:15 in the morning (a 30-40 minute commute to the hub and a 9:20 start time). This makes for a VERY long day when we have 4 kids. Of course, he has to take a lunch which just makes it all the worse in terms of getting home at a decent hour.

If and when he qualifies it will be the end of family life on weekdays as you know it. 10-12 hour days are the norm. It takes a special kind of person to be a UPS driver. This is not your normal 9 to 5. Look on the bright side, lucky qualifiers will have at least two days off every week from January 15 to Black Friday.

a LOT of days off because of low volume - we never get a 40 hour paycheck.

During the qualification process, it is highly recommended that the candidate have a second job. UPS is notoriously known to be quite harsh to lads trying to qualify. Sometimes, on rare occasion, you will find a supervisor who is kind enough to call and tell a candidate not to come in if a route will not be available. Finding such a supervisor, however, is like spotting a unicorn.

Supervisors on him because he's not finishing fast enough, even though he's literally killing himself out there.

At UPS, you are never fast enough. He will have to learn to tune his supervisors out and just listen to the safety part of their message. Just work hard, put in an honest effort, and try to get a little better each day.

LONG days for not a whole lot of pay when he does work
The insult to injury this week is that he was informed he doesn't receive benefits (insurance) for 90 days AFTER his training packet is done. 90 working days!!! Talk about a blow to the stomach. We naively thought he would get it 90 days after his start date, which was in February. Wrong. 90 working days after a training packet that we can't get through because he's not working 5 days a week!

It sucks at first. We have all been there. If you can put up with all the garbage in the beginning, then after a while the garbage will start smelling like money. Patience is a virtue.

Any advice or tips on how to get his truck better loaded? He's saying his truck is a mess and that's contributing to a lot of time to find his packages. He's also running 3-4 misloads a day. Is that typical?

Never trust the minions from preload. If you want something done right, you've got to do it yourself. From my observations, the candidates that management qualifies seem to come in really early to sort their truck before start time. I've also heard of this concept of sorting during lunch so the packages are lined up stop for stop, which will do wonders for his SPORH. He may hear some hollering from the Union guys, but, hey, they really can't do anything since he's not booked anyway. If and when he books, we insist that he does away with that behavior. We hate seeing Union brothers work for free.

Honestly he's about to throw in the towel. For $18.75 and hour and these hours plus all the other issues above - yeah, he's really super frustrated. Can anyone say if all of these things are normal or not or what we can do?

All of the things you have witnessed or heard of are normal. Cheers....
 
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