Affordable Health Care Act
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klein
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You do realize those between 26 and 35 are most likely to be employed !
This is not the 18-25 group you are thinking of !
Bagels
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And you probably don't know what Obamacare is, or what it does, either. Few people do but that doesn't stop them from commentating. Idiots.
Among adults, the 20s has long been the largest uninsured age bracket in the USA. When an uninsured 20-something has a baby, what do you think she does, write a check for $14,000? (And there's a lot of uninsured 20-somethings having babies...) Obamacare is simply making uninsured people -- most of whom already use our health care system, but default on paying for it -- pay their bills. Imagine that!! Of course, most of these people can't afford to do so, so the government is going to help them out. The big question is how much is it going to cost, compared to how much is currently being pay for the uninsured. And nobody really knows.
BTW, insurance of any type is a socialist idea. Refusing to cover those with cancer, HIV, etc. in order to scoop major profits doesn't make it a capitalist idea.
island1fox
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bbsam,
I usually would not lower myself to your level--but if I am a hateful Idiot-- never mind--- What did I say was untrue or hateful???
They will have to purchase healthcare or pay a fine. Are YOU too stupid to understand that fact ???
island1fox
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Hey Eienstein,
Explain Obamacare !!!
There is no Obamacare !
It is an attempt to expand Medicaid for the very poor.
It will be the largest tax hike in history for the middle class who are forced to buy inflated private insurance because of gov mandates or pay a fine.
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UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)
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Does it have the theme song from Robin Hood as the ring tone?
You called a whole segment of the voting populace "idiots" apparently because they disagree with you. Considering the law is not yet fully implemented and the benefits and costs not yet realized it is hard to see where your damnation of the law comes from unless simple hatred of everything Obama. Furthermore, any law can be tweaked and reformed in the future, even repealed if folk come to believe it harmful or overly distasteful. So I am not sure what you mean by "lower yourself to my level". If it is that I used the word "idiot", you must forgive me for adopting a word that you have shown yourself cognizant of in the post immediately prior to mine.
Bagels
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You really don't have a clue about anything you're talking about, do you?
Obamacare hasn't been implemented fully yet, but there are a couple of facts to consider:
1) many companies are dropping insurance coverage as a result
2) The insurance companies were the ones who lobbied hardest for it. Hmmm.
The biggest thing that bothered me about Obamacare was the politicians acted like if this didn't get passed, there were no other options. That's simply untrue. The best idea was HR 1945 - Comprehensive Health Care Reform Act of 2009. That would:
(1) revise the tax credit for the health insurance costs of a taxpayer, the taxpayer's spouse, and dependents to increase the amount of, and expand eligibility criteria for, such credit;
(2) permit up to $500 of unused health benefits under a health flexible spending arrangement to be carried over to a succeeding plan year or paid directly to an employee as compensation;
(3) revise the tax deduction for payments to a health savings account to eliminate the requirement for coverage under a high deductible health plan; and
(4) repeal the 7.5% threshold limitation on the tax deduction of medical and dental expenses.
1) many companies are dropping insurance coverage as a result
2) The insurance companies were the ones who lobbied hardest for it. Hmmm.
The biggest thing that bothered me about Obamacare was the politicians acted like if this didn't get passed, there were no other options. That's simply untrue. The best idea was HR 1945 - Comprehensive Health Care Reform Act of 2009. That would:
(1) revise the tax credit for the health insurance costs of a taxpayer, the taxpayer's spouse, and dependents to increase the amount of, and expand eligibility criteria for, such credit;
(2) permit up to $500 of unused health benefits under a health flexible spending arrangement to be carried over to a succeeding plan year or paid directly to an employee as compensation;
(3) revise the tax deduction for payments to a health savings account to eliminate the requirement for coverage under a high deductible health plan; and
(4) repeal the 7.5% threshold limitation on the tax deduction of medical and dental expenses.
island1fox
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You used so I used it --very childish.
Face the FACTS. America has been dumbed down in many areas. Look at our actual Math and Reading scores compared to other countries.
When either comedy shows, commentator shows etc-- do man on the street interviews with college age students.
Do they know who the VP IS / NO
Do they know the secretary of State --- NO
Do they know anything about our Tax structure, debt,defecit,QE--ANY SERIOUS ISSUE OF THE DAY?
On one interview a student thought that Bengazi was Hillary Clinton's new dog ?????
Sure they know who won American Idol and Dancing with the stars and are right up their with the latest on Snooky or Kardashian.
Bon Jovi, Springstein, Jay Z , Longoria all got the uneducated young to vote. They have no idea for what ---just that it was the PCP GUY.
Obama the POP CULTURE PRESIDENT.
In another thread when I had asked --Who is covered by Obamacare ----you believed it was "the working poor" and it would cover you.
Better take a closer look ---many of the idiots starting next year will have to buy --jacked up rates by private providers due to the Obama Mandates. No tweaks ---that is the LAW.
I look at reality ----Look at where the premiums have gone -----rising quicker with the mandates.
The deal was when all of the working people that do not have Insurance -buy it---The insurance Companies WILL PROBABLY AND SHOULD bring their Premiums down ---but I would not bet on it.
What you will see after millions are laying out insurance money or paying fines ---Insurance after climbing over 40 percent ---will drop a few percentages points ----and idiots that drink the Kool aid wil celebrate.
Also millions of people in total poverty will remain uncovered because the Supreme Court also ruled that STATES CANNOT BE forced TO expand MEDICARE.
p.s I have little time nor respect for people that make direct personal attacks on the cafe.
Calling the young idiots or calling the politicians idiots or management or drivers --does not bring it to the PERSONAL LEVEL. I could explain further --but I am sure you would not be able to comprehend
brown_trousers
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Goodness!... you sound just like Obama
It's the joy of winning.
Bagels
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Your post is lacking facts. Our institutions of higher education are the gold standard worldwide - tens of thousands of foreigners arrive annually to earn an education, usually with no intentions of permanent residency. Most of our public grade schools offer competitive curriculum and judging by the talent in this country, do a pretty darn good job overall. Yes, by some metrics our public grade schools are lacking, but the reality is that basic mathematic & calculator skills are adequate for most of the population-even basic algebra skills are overkill for everyday quantitative reasoning. And those shows you're referring to... do you think Jay Leno just walks onto Hollywood Blvd and quickly gets his interviews? Seriously? Do you know how many takes are necessary for even just one Jaywalking segment?
I did get a good laugh out of your post. Exit polls revealed that highly educated people overwhelmingly voted in favor of Obama. The Republicans rely heavily on uneducated, poverty-stricken Southerns benefiting strongly from social welfare programs - but more zealous in their religious beliefs (banning gay marriage, abortion, etc.) than anything else. And many of the people who voted for Romney couldn't even answer your questions.
More B.S. The growth of health insurance premiums was LOWER this year than it has been in years past.
Obamacare was designed to bring affordable health care insurance to everyone. People with insurance will benefit by being able to insure their children through college, no longer having maximum payout levels and no longer having to co-pay for essential health services. This means less bankruptcies among, for instance, cancer patients and more people choosing to get routine life-saving screenings (e.g. mammograms, etc.) without worrying about cost. Obamacare will also allow people with cancer, HIV, etc. - but without access to a group plan - to get insurance.
Everybody needs health insurance. My uncle declined to pay for it (offered through his employer) and abruptly needed, and received, a liver transplant at a cost of over $1M. Guess who's paying for it? Maybe it'd be fair to say "if you decline health insurance, and you need medical treatment you cannot pay for, then too bad - you die." Sounds very fair to me actually. But not realistic. So Obamacare is asking people to take responsibility for themselves. Even without the medicade expansion, low-income people will still be able to receive subsidies to pay for it. How much those subsidies cost we don't know and won't know for awhile (since we're diverting money already coughed up elsewhere for the uninsured).
No question the USA, with the best healthcare in the world, needed some type of reform. It's sickening that a simple mammogram, oral cancer screening, etc. could save somebody's life but is cost-prohibitive to them.
Bagels
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Youtube is your friend. Those interviews are heavily edited... through editing, I can make you look smart, stupid -- pretty much anything I want. And shame on you (and several other posters) for taking for face value what you see on TV. Especially Fox News.
I don't understand the logic behind the posts that suggest that UPS may drop health coverage for part-timers because it isn't required by Obamacare. UPS has had heath coverage for part-timers for three decades when it wasn't a government mandate. As was pointed out by other posters, UPS has health coverage for part-timers for only one reason: because the Union negotiated it into the contract.
UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)
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It is my opinion that UPS will drop health coverage for new PT hires as of the ratification date of the new contract. Current PTers will be grandfathered in.
island1fox
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