APWA is controlled by a Union-busting Lawyer

[krash]

705 I think 1eyed Jack was talking about officers in the Teamsters.

Krash, 58! You must be a feeder driver? If everyone could go into feeders that would be plausible, but we can't and the masses imho wont likely be able to make it to age 58, physically.

Brother, wasn't there an age requirement till "97"?
Also, I've seen drivers do it960-62). These where the one's who follow the methods to a T and paced themselves. Granted, it would be a challenge and I can't see a bunch of 61 year old package car drivers on the road. UPS wants production. They'd be lucky if I could run everything on the truck let alone in a timely manner at 61
We had one that was 62 here recently who always looked for extra work because he wanted the OT. I couldn't keep up with the guy.
But on the other hand, I also see guys who are a good ways off from that golden age limping around the building. So maybe some are more physically adapted to the job.
And yes Cole, I is in feeder

 

[705red]

705 I think 1eyed Jack was talking about officers in the Teamsters.

Krash, 58! You must be a feeder driver? If everyone could go into feeders that would be plausible, but we can't and the masses imho wont likely be able to make it to age 58, physically.

Cole we have to set an age for retirement, in order to have a stable pension. I can retire with 25 ftime years at the age of 46 if i would like, what happens if i live to 90 im now a burden on the plan. I would be drawing on it alot long than i paid into it.

 

[Cole]

Cole we have to set an age for retirement, in order to have a stable pension. I can retire with 25 ftime years at the age of 46 if i would like, what happens if i live to 90 im now a burden on the plan. I would be drawing on it alot long than i paid into it.

Why should you be paid punished for longevity in life? You put your body and mind on the line all those years, and through your professional skills helped maintain and in many instances grow the business, and frankly how many actually make it to 90? Few. How does it work now for someone that lives that long, and is "a burden on the plan"?

What is the 705 pension at 25 yrs.?

Krash, in some plans there was an age limit of 55 I believe, and some there was/is no age limit.

 

[Cole]

Here's an interesting link about ol'e Jr, and his former Business partner Allen Dorfman.

The Smoking Gun: Archive

I'll try to find out about the lawfirm too. I can't remember it now, but I'll find it.That last statement is interesting as well.

 

[705red]

Why should you be paid punished for longevity in life? You put your body and mind on the line all those years, and through your professional skills helped maintain and in many instances grow the business, and frankly how many actually make it to 90? Few. How does it work now for someone that lives that long, and is "a burden on the plan"?

What is the 705 pension at 25 yrs.?

Krash, in some plans there was an age limit of 55 I believe, and some there was/is no age limit.

$25,000 retirement bonus or $2700 a month, And as miserable as i can be ill probably die a slow death living well into my 100's. How can you draw out more than what was paid into it on your behalf?

 

[Cole]

$25,000 retirement bonus or $2700 a month, And as miserable as i can be ill probably die a slow death living well into my 100's. How can you draw out more than what was paid into it on your behalf?

I would imagine yo would have to pay something to maintain it, sort of like COBRA, but I don't know at this point.

 

[705red]

$25,000 retirement bonus or $2700 a month, And as miserable as i can be ill probably die a slow death living well into my 100's. How can you draw out more than what was paid into it on your behalf?

I meant the bonus plus $100 per year of service or $108 per year of service.

 

[Cole]

Here's a very interesting link:

Central States, Southeast, Southwest Areas Pension Fund

Once nicknamed "the mob's bank," the Teamsters Union's Central States, Southeast, Southwest Areas Pension Fund, based in Chicago, played a major—and infamous—role in the rapid expansion of the Las Vegas hotel-casino industry following World War II.

Even more interesting:
Cover Stories | www.sdreader.com

In 1964, he added, the Teamsters made their first La Costa loan: $4 million. Before they were done in 1987, the Central States pension fund had pumped more than $97 million into La Costa and the partnership.

The union's trustees were his toadies; the employer trustees, usually trucking company owners, feared strikes and slowdowns if they lifted a finger against Hoffa."

It's happened before and if we can learn anything from history...

I have to admit, that's some scarey business, and I am a bit fearful of posting it, but the info is out there.

 

[wildgoose]

Here's an interesting link about ol'e Jr, and his former Business partner Allen Dorfman.

The Smoking Gun: Archive

I'll try to find out about the lawfirm too. I can't remember it now, but I'll find it.That last statement is interesting as well.

Thanks Cole

 

[Cole]

I hope you all read that info, because it greatly has and still impacts us.

 

[705red]

I hope you all read that info, because it greatly has and still impacts us.

Cole im into history and enjoy reading up on it. The best thing about history is you learn from it, the things to do and not to do. I dont see how what happened as far back as 20 years ago has any weight bearing on this topic of conversation. The laws were alot different back then. Alot that jimmy sr. did he did for the most part to better the teamster movement and the members, yes some of it was illegal but was also common practice during those times. The teamsters then were in a struggle for all working americans, trying to move workings americans (the back bone of america) out of the poverty that they were forced to live in. Now the spoiled americans that we have become its easy to judge their actions from decades ago and criticize every one of their choices, but we are who we are and reap the benefits from their actions today, for without them we would not be at the pay scales, have the medical we do, and yes even have the pension plans. Alot of people lost more than several hundred dollars a month from their pension, they lost their lives to build this organization, and i take offense to you attempting to belittle their their decisions without even walking in their shoes!

 

[Cole]

Let's see Hoffa went to prison for embezzling money from pension funds, and jury tampering. Sure he did some good things, but those connections are not gone, and Jr was business partners with Allen Dorfman. It shows that there have been multiple improprieties with CS for a VERY long time, and some have asked for proof, well there it is. So why doesn't all that corruption have any bearing on today?!

If they didn't pilage sooo much money from the funds, I seriousley doubt we would be in such dire straits today.

Obviousley someone was wise enough in years past to keep you guys out of CS.

I did discover alot of info, and some very positive things about your locals recent history, which validates alot of what you have been saying. Such as the trusteeship due to mass corruption in your local in years past, up to today, from what I read great strides were made to get rid of the corruption, so I understand why you say what you say about trying to reform the Teamsters, but I agree to disagree that it can be done on the grand scale of the Teamsters.

I truely respect what you folks did in your local.

So only Teamsters fought for all the things you mentioned? I don't buy that. If they had kept their hands out the cookie jars, we wouldn't be looked at as belonging to a criminal organization. Talk about spoiled, just read up on the lifestyles they led, and some still do, at our expense.

Alot of people lost their lives trying to stand up to the corruption of those you just defended, so I take offense to that.

If you got to do it by criminal means, then you become as the criminals. So who are you talking about that lost their lives, because my post was about officers, and people in CS etc...?sure some of these criminal elements lost their lives I am sure, because they became liabilities etc...the "investments" and they way they used Union funds was what I was pointing out.

 

[wildgoose]

OK then, what firm and when????????

The law firm of Duey,Cheatam and Howe !

 

[krash]

The law firm of Duey,Cheatam and Howe !

That was funny

 

[RealTeam]

Speaking of union busting lawyers. Jimmy Hoffa Jr., represented both UPS and yellow frieght against their employees before becoming the Teamster President.
So, You Teamsters supporters should know alot about union busting lawyers.

Your friggin' BRAIN must be filled with sawdust!
Jim Hoffa NEVER represented Yellow Freight, nor UPS. And I challenge you to present evidence to the contrary, because you have NONE.

Francis "Tom" Coleman is a Union busting attorney and the APWA is a front!

 

[Cole]

Tom Coleman is not President of any Union, Hoffa is, so what did Hoffa do to earn it other than his name?! Which of our industries did he work in? I have zero respect for Coleman and little for Hoffa!

 

[705red]

Tom Coleman is not President of any Union, Hoffa is, so what did Hoffa do to earn it other than his name?! Which of our industries did he work in? I have zero respect for Coleman and little for Hoffa!

What did hoffa do? He won 2 straight fair elections. Whether it was a lack of support for leedham that was the cause, he won.

 

[Cole]

I should have worded it different. What did Hoffa do to even be able to run to begin with, other than have his father's name? Amazing to me how guillable some people are/were.

 

[RealTeam]

I should have worded it different. What did Hoffa do to even be able to run to begin with, other than have his father's name? Amazing to me how guillable some people are/were.

Amazing to me how stupid people like you are.

BACKGROUND
James P. Hoffa grew up on picket lines and in union meetings. He is the only son of James R. Hoffa, former General President of the International Brotherhood of Teamsters. On his 18th birthday, Hoffa received his own union card and was sworn in by his father. Prior to becoming Administrative Assistant to Michigan Joint Council 43, Hoffa was a labor lawyer in Detroit for 25 years.

TEAMSTER CAREER

• 1960s: Teamster laborer in Detroit and Alaska, loading and unloading freight from ships, driving trucks and buses, and operating heavy equipment.
• 1968-93: Teamster attorney representing members in workers compensation cases, Social Security, and personal legal matters; represented Teamster joint councils and local unions.
• 1993-98: Administrative Assistant to the President of Michigan Joint Council 43.
• 1999-Present: General President, International Brotherhood of Teamsters.

APPOINTMENTS

• 2002: President’s Council on the 21st Century Workforce
• 2002: Secretary of Energy's Advisory Board

EDUCATION

• 1959: Graduated from Detroit public schools, National Honor Society, All-City and All-State football player.
• 1963: Degree in Economics, Michigan State University, played football under legendary coach Duffy Daugherty.
• 1966: LLB Law Degree, University of Michigan.
• 1967: Awarded Ford Foundation Fellowship to work in Michigan State Senate.

PERSONAL

• Born: May 19, 1941 in Detroit, Michigan
• Family: Parents – Josephine and James R. Hoffa; Sister – Barbara Hoffa Crancer, attorney and Circuit Judge in St. Louis, Mo.; Wife – Virginia Harris Hoffa, former teacher and licensed veterinary technician; Children – David and Geoffrey, both Michigan State University graduates.
• Hobbies: Outdoor activities including fishing, hunting and golf.

TEAMSTER GOALS

• Organize the unorganized;
• Negotiate industry-leading contracts;
• Vigorously enforce Teamster contracts
• Ensure a corruption-free union;
• Continue fiscal reform and budgetary accountability;
• Fight trade policies that threaten American jobs and other anti-labor legislation;
• Demand stricter health and safety regulations.

 

[badpas]

Amazing to me how stupid people like you are.

BACKGROUND
James P. Hoffa grew up on picket lines and in union meetings. He is the only son of James R. Hoffa, former General President of the International Brotherhood of Teamsters. On his 18th birthday, Hoffa received his own union card and was sworn in by his father. Prior to becoming Administrative Assistant to Michigan Joint Council 43, Hoffa was a labor lawyer in Detroit for 25 years.

TEAMSTER CAREER

• 1960s: Teamster laborer in Detroit and Alaska, loading and unloading freight from ships, driving trucks and buses, and operating heavy equipment.
• 1968-93: Teamster attorney representing members in workers compensation cases, Social Security, and personal legal matters; represented Teamster joint councils and local unions.
• 1993-98: Administrative Assistant to the President of Michigan Joint Council 43.
• 1999-Present: General President, International Brotherhood of Teamsters.

APPOINTMENTS

• 2002: President’s Council on the 21st Century Workforce
• 2002: Secretary of Energy's Advisory Board

EDUCATION

• 1959: Graduated from Detroit public schools, National Honor Society, All-City and All-State football player.
• 1963: Degree in Economics, Michigan State University, played football under legendary coach Duffy Daugherty.
• 1966: LLB Law Degree, University of Michigan.
• 1967: Awarded Ford Foundation Fellowship to work in Michigan State Senate.

PERSONAL

• Born: May 19, 1941 in Detroit, Michigan
• Family: Parents – Josephine and James R. Hoffa; Sister – Barbara Hoffa Crancer, attorney and Circuit Judge in St. Louis, Mo.; Wife – Virginia Harris Hoffa, former teacher and licensed veterinary technician; Children – David and Geoffrey, both Michigan State University graduates.
• Hobbies: Outdoor activities including fishing, hunting and golf.

TEAMSTER GOALS

• Organize the unorganized;
• Negotiate industry-leading contracts;
• Vigorously enforce Teamster contracts
• Ensure a corruption-free union;
• Continue fiscal reform and budgetary accountability;
• Fight trade policies that threaten American jobs and other anti-labor legislation;
• Demand stricter health and safety regulations.

You can list his resime[spelling] til the cows come home. The botton line is there are alot of changes that have to be made and their not being done. You can say he is negotiating them right now but yet we hear nothing. This is wrong. You can say he has many years of higher education, great but that doesn't make him perfect. You can say he done this or he's done that but when it comes down to it these problems, such as having to ok employment when you retire just for starters, are things that can be changed by the stroke of a pen but yet they go unchanged. Nobody says he's stupid but not fixing things that we all know he knows about nulifies alot of good deeds. And the pension is a whole different set of problems that is obviously been debated for years. The point is simply we're not asking for more, we're just expecting what we've earned and if that can't be reached we will find a way to get exactly that. APWA or not the teamsters had better do something constructive here and especially now in times of contract because what he and his administration does will affect us for years to come if we don't stand up for what we believe is right. This is nothing new, so lets not forget the final decision rests in our hands not J Hoffa's.