First off, thanks for calling me foolish. If this is what you consider foolish than I guess I'm proud to be.
Thanks for the be careful.
I don't know much about the TDU so I can't comment. As far as the voice and lip service you won't get the same from the apwa? How do you know what's goin to happen in the future with this organization? It has not even started and the pro apwa's think It's going to be a walk in the park. Even if you guy's vote them in , you still have to have a contract negotiated. The truth is you don't know what's really going to happen or how good or how easy it is going to be with the apwa as opposed to the teamsters. This way of thinking would be, uh.. well you know what I mean, what you called me.
The analogy was what it was, a stretch. I think we've beat that horse to death already so I'll move on. As for the going back too far you didn't.
Pension, who are the "some"? or the "others"? Ask nospin about the Western states fund. Others, some, they, and all that are just rumors. Get information yourself, don't rely on what others or some tell you. (if its an important enough issue for you.) Ask T251 about the Northeast and I'm sure he's got a different story than yours"NE area is in rough shape"
Again, the 30 out and all that is UPS Parcel. We are not Parcel! We are Overnite that has been bought by UPS and going by the same rules and pay as Overnite. The only thing that is different is the Uniforms and the sticker on the trucks. How do you know that we will have the same pension restrictions as Parcel? If it is just talk you've heard than that's all it is. If you have hard evidence than give me the link, I would like to see it.
Yes it wasn't bad at all, it was $150 to $200 more per week for me. that's with 2 or more hours of delay per night. Some were getting more. It was a hard hit to take, and the fact that MC management and CLC gave in a little more and were easy to work with. Now I get an attitude whenever I call CLC. I'm hoping UPS and/or the teamsters help out with these problems. I'm patient, I've waited almost a year with less pay and other problems. We'll see what happens.
You said" Also, judging by the MC equip. littering our Overnite yards I'd say your situation has improved." I meant that the equipment has never been an issue with MC really. I've never really had a problem with the MC gears, other than normal age problems. As a matter of fact the silver eagles that MC has been buying for years are what ups is buying us now. You know, the gears that everyone is fighting over in the yards. I saw two turn drivers yelling at each other on the dock the other night, (a terminal back east that's all I will say about the location) over the new trailers and gears. The one driver thought he should get the new stuff just because he had a newly branded truck and the other driver did not. Kinda silly. (I know it's off topic) As for the variety, ovnt has a smorgasboard.
As far as the posting, I think it's silly but I'll do it for you.
The initiation for the IBT might be waived for current employees, could not get a definite from the local, there still checking or are waiting for the Indy contract. The shirt thing was a joke.
I wouldn't say the pension is set if I were you. You don't truly know what the funding is or how much it will be when you retire. Remember there are no members as of yet.
UPS for UPSers? your right, I don't understand.
I signed in the San Gabriel Valley of Ca Near the LAX term. You're underestimating the west, There are alot of dissapointed MC employees out here. We got the little end of the stick going down to the ovnt way of paying.
The Age thing was a joke, I don't care how old you are.
Buckethead,
The way the constitution and bylaws are written are vastly different from
the IBT's. (I am in the process of looking/viewing/ at the details currently) Now, if you are into the horse and buggie scene you most likely won't bother examining how the organizations structure can prevent the problems we see with the IBT today. Just a quick example: Dues, Hoffa said; no "Dues Increase" during the mid to late nineties at the Las Vegas meeting. A few years later
he changed
his mind and raised them. Doubled.
With the APWA; the rank and file has to vote on the issue with a 66 percent yes vote to raise the basic dues of $34 (There is a 6 mos. startup rate of $68 after the first sixs mos. then they return to the $34 rate.) The language also calls for a small percentage increase as you get raises. I don't have the number immediately available for you. With this you can see the detail and structure put into just one issue. The rank and file can also "impeach" a official, ending the term of said official prior to the term ending. No official can be a felon, hold more then one paid position. No political donations can be made to the political process period.
See, there is more to it, then what the IBT Kool aid pushers tell you.
Nothing is easy that is worth having, I expect the horse and buggie crowd to resort to their typical M.O. If the APWA gets in. Solid objects being missed placed from overpasses and "somebody" somewhere accidentally discharging a gun at a passing vehicle. Just like we experienced last time
we had another view point.
It was an "analogy". I also never called "you" foolish, I said; it would be foolish. (As in behavior.)
I do know what is going to happen. There will be no IBT in the Overnite
facilities in any large percentage. We have three hundred plus at this facility and you have less then 40 loyal, doesn't matter, why, who, what and when teamster supporters. Many of which didn't have the balls to walk the line in the late 90's either. It'll be union free or the APWA.
I'm in the process of getting some Pension related reports, will give details when I have read them.
As far as asking nospin, t251... The articles view point is considered, I'll even check the author out sometimes. I form a position after collecting as much as I possibly can. Neither mentioned above can provide information that I'd consider 100 percent accurate they are people so more imput is always good. You get the point.
The 30 and out is (was) Parcel. But, it was the SAME bunch you want now. Something isn't going well in teamster land.
Why, don't the teamsters get world class medical? I explained why in the post previous to the "becareful out there" post.
We must be getting the salvaged dollies, these aren't "like" the current UPSF silvereagle.
Might be waived? At least you acknowledged the similiar fee as the one you made sound as if it was exclusive to the APWA. Ask for it in writing on Teamster letter head. Watch the reaction you get from the local's president.
The pension funding will be (parcel side) in the $214 per week ball park. (note: there may be differences by region due to the contract) UPS is paying it now. Why would it say it wasn't able to pay the same to a APWA contract? If more was asked for; you could see a pause perhaps? Again, UPS for UPSers only makes it a lot more lucrative for the Parcel side.
Why has the retirement been pushed to 62? The answer isn't 'cause we love you. When they the IBT push retirement to 65 or further I hope you
think again. The pension reform law passed this year starts the Pension
funding clock this JAN. 07. The clock will tick for seven years, at which time the pensions (all) will need to be at 90%. IF they are not, then there is a shorter period of time to get the funds from the "contributing" companies. When the Co's can't come up with the cash. They'll close the doors. This is just a brief picture of the future for the IBT.
One also should consider why was this needed to be made law? Perhaps the government doesn't want to be holding the bag for this version of Social Security also. More cuts will come as IBT membership stays flat or falls. As history tells it, it'll fall farther.
Now some of this I've covered more then once for you. If you can't/won't
or otherwise don't wish to look into/at the chasm on your side ok fine.
You started this write off with the comments that the APWA was a mickey mouse organization. I am pointing out that you are ill informed. I'll be singing the mouse's song. While you in the near future get saddled and ridden your way.
Visit the TDU's website do some reading, the TDU is standing in the crap you wish to jump into. Again Why? is the TDU here if there aren't serious problems? Then ponder why hasn't such a group "working from within" been more effective bringing the IBT ship back on course? Answer:the IBT isn't controlled by the membership! The IBT controls the membership. And the next question should be why was the APWA formed by ex teamsters working for the mother of all companies?
Buckethead, Thanks for the posts, I've enjoyed it.
