FrigidFTSup
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This was before they knew the Teamsters would accept it.
Bargaining in good faith.
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FrigidFTSup
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Mooseknuckle
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In the given circumstance I'd agree. I've been here a while and have never seen as many getting hired just before a negotiation. UPS is the biggest contributor to ALEC
Exactly! not a final offer. So how can you say everybody knew it was?
Dulce Bombón
I'm Legal Gringo! UPS Latina Heat! Haters ❤ me!
It was not. I'm just waiting for my pocket change, when the others 6 supplements are over. After that..moving on. I know I did my part.
FrigidFTSup
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BECAUSE IT WENT TO A VOTE.
If it was rejected they would have gone back and renegotiated creating a, wait for it....NEW FINAL AGREEMENT.
How can you be so dense?
I agree.
He is practicing to go into management?
llamainmypocket
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Even ups said it was rejected. Was ups so dense?
We got screwed. It shouldn't hurt your position to consider that.
FrigidFTSup
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You guys got screwed, but it’s not the company’s fault. They presented a contract, the union put it to vote, and the union shoved it down your throats.
UPS said it was rejected based on the vote. They didn’t know the loophole, but they aren’t going to change anything about it, simply because we can’t (and don’t want to)
People didn't vote.
DriveInDriveOut
Inordinately Right
That's open to interpretation.
FrigidFTSup
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llamainmypocket
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Yeah. It's not the companies fault. A lot of blame floating around but it's on ibt leadership.
oldngray
nowhere special
Old loophole. People are stupid both for not voting and not knowing the rules.
Agree with this.
And not just finger pointing. It's easy to find. I should have researched it. I didn't.
I made assumptions (incorrectly) based on presuppositions, and things I heard here.
As it turns out, I was wrong.
We all know we can't rely on honest information to be spoon fed to us from above, so we've got to make sure we know the rules before we play the game.
DriveInDriveOut
Inordinately Right
I disagree.
How come it doesn't work the other way, if they are so worried about a handful of people dictating the contract???
Brown287
Im not the Mail Man!
I don’t hold UPS responsible at all, in fact I doubt they’re too happy about these events. In the end they want a ratified contract that both benefits them as well as the rank and file. Over half of their employees feeling as if they got the shaft doesn’t in anyway benefit them or their business plan. Taylor shook hands with UPS’s negotiating team guaranteeing them a yes vote. His arrogance and lack of respect for the members ability to think for them selves blinded him from the possibility that it would be voted down. Well....in the end he needs pension money and nothing was gonna get in the way of that. Not even the same members that pay dues to an organization that supposedly is there to protect them from entities like him.
You guys have been around a lot longer than most. Do either of you have a general idea what turn out was in contracts prior? I heard 2013 was 39% of the membership so by that metric getting another 6% involved this go around is a win especially when you consider that 6% of the eligible voters is presumably a larger number than it was in 2013.
54% of the work force is part time which makes 50% a tall order in my humble opinion. I think everyone should vote but we did alright, I mean hell we only got 58% in the last us presidential election and that was a record turn out.
