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El Correcto

god is dead
Do not need to personally, but maybe some could wiki such things. :D

In the mid-20th century, right-libertarian[15][18][22][23] ideologies such as anarcho-capitalism and minarchism co-opted[8][24] the term libertarian to advocate laissez-faire capitalism and strong private property rights such as in land, infrastructure and natural resources.[25] The latter is the dominant form of libertarianism in the United States,[23] where it advocates civil liberties,[26] natural law,[27] free-market capitalism[28][29] and a major reversal of the modern welfare state.[30]
What are you considering European libertarianism? John Locke and laissez-faire?
 

UnconTROLLed

perfection
What are you considering European libertarianism? John Locke and laissez-faire?
No. Laissez-faire is not possible in a libertarian society. Of course european libertarianism never really existed, besides a few rogue and short lived examples like anarchist spain. It's a philosophy right?
 

El Correcto

god is dead
libertarianism is anarchism, self-government. Laissez-faire is non-intervention by government entities, but if there is no government entity or state apparatus to begin with, you cannot have laissez faire
I disagree with libertarians being straight up no government anarchists.

I agree that you do need some government control to maintain a society to have a free market.
 

UnconTROLLed

perfection
I disagree with libertarians being straight up no government anarchists.

I agree that you do need some government control to maintain a society to have a free market.
It's really a matter of opinion. you're not wrong...but imo, libertarian is "all the way" or it isn't. Therefore the US "Libertarian" is not libertarian. Lol more than likely a Republican that is a bit more responsible and hands-off than average
 

El Correcto

god is dead
It's really a matter of opinion. you're not wrong...but imo, libertarian is "all the way" or it isn't. Therefore the US "Libertarian" is not libertarian. Lol more than likely a Republican that is a bit more responsible and hands-off than average
Not at all. Libertarians view the government as necessary to protect individual rights and that’s about it, it’s perfect for laissez faire capitalism.
Anarchist don’t want any government by definition.
 

UnconTROLLed

perfection
Not at all. Libertarians view the government as necessary to protect individual rights and that’s about it, it’s perfect for laissez faire capitalism.
Anarchist don’t want any government by definition.
yes "L"ibertarians. They are not libertarian at all, typically, jmo. Small government conservative? Okay, that sounds right.

"There's no government, like no government." iirc :D
 

vantexan

Well-Known Member
Relevant in Europe but not so much for the US. Those countries will still want trade to continue.
If Greece's issues taught us anything it's that banks are over exposed to even small country debt and can fall like dominoes worldwide if not propped up by government. The EU disintegrating may spark a financial collapse that will become very relevant here.
 

El Correcto

god is dead
yes "L"ibertarians. They are not libertarian at all, typically, jmo. Small government conservative? Okay, that sounds right.

"There's no government, like no government." iirc :D
Conservatism is sort of like libertarianism with more morals injected into it. Libertarians can be more pure than conservatism because they don’t have to face the pragmatic decisions that swing voters. They aren’t a mainstream party that effects all branches of our government. Conservatives will naturally represent the will of the people, which mostly is seems to be authoritarian these days.
 

Old Man Jingles

Rat out of a cage
libertarianism is anarchism, self-government. Laissez-faire is non-intervention by government entities, but if there is no government entity or state apparatus to begin with, you cannot have laissez faire
Your level of ignorance and rewriting history is on the level of @rickyb and in case you are confused, that is not a compliment.
 
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