Big Tax Cut for companies to go back to workers. How much will FDX pay u$?

[Oldfart]

A your comments are a clear and indisputable admission on your part that your facts are the only ones that matter to you as evidenced by your immediate dismissal of the facts submitted by others . Especially those that paint a not so glowing picture of your beloved company.

I don't spend my days reading propaganda and ratings put out by companies about companies or organizations. Those are OPINIONS only. I deal in facts.

The facts are someone listed AT&T was giving employees this large bonus and I simply finished the post by stating that AT&T was also laying off 4600 people. Now shadey said I was given bad information so I guess those reports of layoffs are incorrect. They must be because shadey is smarter than me.

 

[shadey]

Is that all you got? That is 8th grade material.
Never claimed to be smart. But like I said over and over. Other couriers on here call me dumb yet we all do the same job and I make more $ than some and have better pensions than most. Sure doesn't say much for how your brains did for your career.

Again, you create observations from my statements that are not there! Fascinating!! Actually, if you're claims of financial success are true, then we are probably more alike than different. I have made the most of my career here as well, saved plenty, invested well (with a lot of luck), no mortgage or bills, etc. The only real differences between you and I, that I can extract from your posts, is that I can see and admit that FedEx has failed it's employee's in many ways and you cannot. The other way is that i can be sympathetic to the plight of others and you are really just a sphincter!

 

[Oldfart]

If you could comprehend the statement, you would see I'm doing neither. Since you believe so wholeheartedly in the things you are told, I'll debunk another myth for you. There is no Santa Claus.

You just said I believe the things I was told. I just stated about AT&T layoffs and you said I shouldn't believe everything I am told. So the layoffs must not be true.

 

[shadey]

I don't spend my days reading propaganda and ratings put out by companies about companies or organizations. Those are OPINIONS only. I deal in facts.

The facts are someone listed AT&T was giving employees this large bonus and I simply finished the post by stating that AT&T was also laying off 4600 people. Now shadey said I was given bad information so I guess those reports of layoffs are incorrect. They must be because shadey is smarter than me.

Here's a fact for you. I never said anything about bad information. Your rose colored glasses must need to be cleaned.

 

[Oldfart]

Again, you create observations from my statements that are not there! Fascinating!! Actually, if you're claims of financial success are true, then we are probably more alike than different. I have made the most of my career here as well, saved plenty, invested well (with a lot of luck), no mortgage or bills, etc. The only real differences between you and I, that I can extract from your posts, is that I can see and admit that FedEx has failed it's employee's in many ways and you cannot. The other way is that i can be sympathetic to the plight of others and you are really just a sphincter!

I never said this was a perfect company and never made mistakes. I have been around longer than most and have seen the decline. I just decided to keep working here and making the best of it. Operational and tex kept working here and decided to bitch and whine all the time instead of finding a job that would make them happy. Then again, not much will make those 2 happy. Tex quit and still bitches.

 

[Oldfart]

If you could comprehend the statement, you would see I'm doing neither. Since you believe so wholeheartedly in the things you are told, I'll debunk another myth for you. There is no Santa Claus.

Isn't this telling me I was told wrong info?

 

[shadey]

Isn't this telling me I was told wrong info?

The statement alludes to your current and past history of stoic FDX devotion. It's so refreshing to know that the blinders FedEx has been handing out for so many years fit you so well!!

 

[vantexan]

I never said this was a perfect company and never made mistakes. I have been around longer than most and have seen the decline. I just decided to keep working here and making the best of it. Operational and tex kept working here and decided to bitch and whine all the time instead of finding a job that would make them happy. Then again, not much will make those 2 happy. Tex quit and still bitches.

I was a domiciled courier in the bootheel of New Mexico, and in the Rockies. Loved the job there. Mgrs in both places messed it up for me. Especially in New Mexico where they repeatedly violated company policy and were probably breaking the law. Wasn't making much money but they were fascinating places to work. Ever been to a wolf sanctuary at 10,000' elevation? Delivered to one regularly. You want to hold to some idea that I hate everything that's your business, but you're wrong. And now I'm able to travel. Thanks FedEx. I'm thankful I got in when I did, because those under the new pension won't have the option to leave before their full SS retirement age, or later. I stayed for the traditional pension so I can do what I'm doing now. If I had only the portable pension and 401k I'd go be a long distance truck driver. Make better money and see the country. Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!

 

[Oldfart]

I was a domiciled courier in the bootheel of New Mexico, and in the Rockies. Loved the job there. Mgrs in both places messed it up for me. Especially in New Mexico where they repeatedly violated company policy and were probably breaking the law. Wasn't making much money but they were fascinating places to work. Ever been to a wolf sanctuary at 10,000' elevation? Delivered to one regularly. You want to hold to some idea that I hate everything that's your business, but you're wrong. And now I'm able to travel. Thanks FedEx. I'm thankful I got in when I did, because those under the new pension won't have the option to leave before their full SS retirement age, or later. I stayed for the traditional pension so I can do what I'm doing now. If I had only the portable pension and 401k I'd go be a long distance truck driver. Make better money and see the country. Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!

That is the most positive post I have ever seen you write. HUNDREDS of negative post filled with bitching and whining and you finally post something positive. I am shocked.

 

[Oldfart]

The statement alludes to your current and past history of stoic FDX devotion. It's so refreshing to know that the blinders FedEx has been handing out for so many years fit you so well!!

I posted about AT&T laying off people and you talk about FDX giving me bad info. Is that what you are saying now? You have been all over the place in this post.

 

[vantexan]

That is the most positive post I have ever seen you write. HUNDREDS of negative post filled with bitching and whining and you finally post something positive. I am shocked.

Hundreds of posts pointing out what the company did. You say potato, I say potahto.

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

Hundreds of posts pointing out what the company did. You say potato, I say potahto.

In your case it would be instant potatoes.

 

[bbsam]

Hundreds of posts pointing out what the company did. You say potato, I say potahto.

You've been defending the company like a Ground contractor defending the model 10 years ago.

 

[fedx]

I never said this was a perfect company and never made mistakes. I have been around longer than most and have seen the decline. I just decided to keep working here and making the best of it. Operational and tex kept working here and decided to bitch and whine all the time instead of finding a job that would make them happy. Then again, not much will make those 2 happy. Tex quit and still bitches.

I think most of the discontent, bitching, whining, anger, etc. on here comes from the fact that FDX used to be a top notch company to work for. We are still under the same legendary CEO who founded the company that changed history. It's not like some new CEO(s) came in and changed everything for the worse. No, it's still under the "founding father" who signed off on all the cuts they made to employees. OF is fortunate enough that he got in on FDX when it was still a great place to work and he was grandfathered in to keep his perks. At some point a few decades ago, FDX made the business decision to have 2 groups of employees. The grandfathered employees got to keep their topped out status that took anywhere from 3 months to 36 months to achieve, while everyone else after that point would take 20+ years to top out. Not 5 years, not 10 years, not even an insulting 15 years.....but 20 years. FDX might as well have rolled out a plan that took 40 years to top out. I mean when you're talking 20 years, you might as well make it 40 while you're at it. Twenty years is a ridiculously and insultingly long time to work to reach top pay.

Now had those same grandfathered employees been told way back when, "we have a new pay structure and you'll be losing your topped out status and will be included in the new system that takes you 20 years to reach top out pay", I can guarantee you OF (had he not quit FDX right then and there) would be on here complaining along with everyone else how FDX is a POS place to work. I have no disrespect for OF whatsoever. He feels privileged that FedEx let him keep his perks. He feels loyal to the company. It's just human nature. If I worked for a company that let me keep all my perks while all new hires from that point got screwed over, I'd feel lucky or privileged too and might feel a sense of loyalty to that company since they let me keep my status. So for old timers at FedEx Express, FDX is a terrific company to work for. For everyone else, not so much. It would be like UPS having 2 driver groups. One group that makes $35/hr while the other group makes $14/hr. You'd scratch your head wondering what went wrong for the second group. Well that's the business model FDX has implemented for themselves.

 

[Operational needs]

I think most of the discontent, bitching, whining, anger, etc. on here comes from the fact that FDX used to be a top notch company to work for. We are still under the same legendary CEO who founded the company that changed history. It's not like some new CEO(s) came in and changed everything for the worse. No, it's still under the "founding father" who signed off on all the cuts they made to employees. OF is fortunate enough that he got in on FDX when it was still a great place to work and he was grandfathered in to keep his perks. At some point a few decades ago, FDX made the business decision to have 2 groups of employees. The grandfathered employees got to keep their topped out status that took anywhere from 3 months to 36 months to achieve, while everyone else after that point would take 20+ years to top out. Not 5 years, not 10 years, not even an insulting 15 years.....but 20 years. FDX might as well have rolled out a plan that took 40 years to top out. I mean when you're talking 20 years, you might as well make it 40 while you're at it. Twenty years is a ridiculously and insultingly long time to work to reach top pay.

Now had those same grandfathered employees been told way back when, "we have a new pay structure and you'll be losing your topped out status and will be included in the new system that takes you 20 years to reach top out pay", I can guarantee you OF (had he not quit FDX right then and there) would be on here complaining along with everyone else how FDX is a POS place to work. I have no disrespect for OF whatsoever. He feels privileged that FedEx let him keep his perks. He feels loyal to the company. It's just human nature. If I worked for a company that let me keep all my perks while all new hires from that point got screwed over, I'd feel lucky or privileged too and might feel a sense of loyalty to that company since they let me keep my status. So for old timers at FedEx Express, FDX is a terrific company to work for. For everyone else, not so much. It would be like UPS having 2 driver groups. One group that makes $35/hr while the other group makes $14/hr. You'd scratch your head wondering what went wrong for the second group. Well that's the business model FDX has implemented for themselves.

You typed all that for nothing. He can’t comprehend any of that. His response will be, Well if they don’t like it they should have gotten another job. He got his and that’s all that matters to him. Screw any and everyone else.

 

[vantexan]

You've been defending the company like a Ground contractor defending the model 10 years ago.

I point out what they do wrong, and what they do right. As opposed to those who never admit when they do right because they always want more. The new pay plan for Express is an example of them doing right but it's not enough for some. And granted they're doing it to stop turnover without addressing past wrongs. But with FedEx you take what you can get if it's an improvement.

Now contractors who signed on knowing full well that they will have to pay their own employees little with no benefits in order to get generous pay for themselves receive no sympathy from me now that the company they defended has become less generous in order to pay Express employees more and keep profits up.

 

[fedx]

You typed all that for nothing. He can’t comprehend any of that. His response will be, Well if they don’t like it they should have gotten another job. He got his and that’s all that matters to him. Screw any and everyone else.

One thing I forgot to add (because I didn't want to make it too long) is FedEx Express isn't hurting for money. It's not like they don't have the capital to fund a 3 or 5 year top out pay plan. They are literally swimming in tens of billions of dollars, but they are too busy buying up their competition (aka corporatism) instead of taking care of their employees. They have their intranet homepage everyday update us about their TNT merger and how it's going. Like we really care. That merger means nothing if FDX doesn't want to share their monetary success of said merger. We're supposed to get excited because FDX is going to buy 35 new small Cessna feeder airplanes. Again, who cares? That stuff doesn't affect us except it helps take away from our raises. FedEx has the money to share among the employees that help make it unbelievably rich, but they want to hoard it for themselves. That's why people have a bad attitude.

 

[Operational needs]

One thing I forgot to add (because I didn't want to make it too long) is FedEx Express isn't hurting for money. It's not like they don't have the capital to fund a 3 or 5 year top out pay plan. They are literally swimming in tens of billions of dollars, but they are too busy buying up their competition (aka corporatism) instead of taking care of their employees. They have their intranet homepage everyday update us about their TNT merger and how it's going. Like we really care. That merger means nothing if FDX doesn't want to share their monetary success of said merger. We're supposed to get excited because FDX is going to buy 35 new small Cessna feeder airplanes. Again, who cares? That stuff doesn't affect us except it helps take away from our raises. FedEx has the money to share among the employees that help make it unbelievably rich, but they want to hoard it for themselves. That's why people have a bad attitude.

Lol. You’re preaching to the choir. I agree with you 100%. That’s why I always laugh when management talks about how we have to cut back. I continue as I always have. Until the corporate jets are grounded and the execs fly commercial, I will never believe Fedex is hurting.

 

[vantexan]

I think most of the discontent, bitching, whining, anger, etc. on here comes from the fact that FDX used to be a top notch company to work for. We are still under the same legendary CEO who founded the company that changed history. It's not like some new CEO(s) came in and changed everything for the worse. No, it's still under the "founding father" who signed off on all the cuts they made to employees. OF is fortunate enough that he got in on FDX when it was still a great place to work and he was grandfathered in to keep his perks. At some point a few decades ago, FDX made the business decision to have 2 groups of employees. The grandfathered employees got to keep their topped out status that took anywhere from 3 months to 36 months to achieve, while everyone else after that point would take 20+ years to top out. Not 5 years, not 10 years, not even an insulting 15 years.....but 20 years. FDX might as well have rolled out a plan that took 40 years to top out. I mean when you're talking 20 years, you might as well make it 40 while you're at it. Twenty years is a ridiculously and insultingly long time to work to reach top pay.

Now had those same grandfathered employees been told way back when, "we have a new pay structure and you'll be losing your topped out status and will be included in the new system that takes you 20 years to reach top out pay", I can guarantee you OF (had he not quit FDX right then and there) would be on here complaining along with everyone else how FDX is a POS place to work. I have no disrespect for OF whatsoever. He feels privileged that FedEx let him keep his perks. He feels loyal to the company. It's just human nature. If I worked for a company that let me keep all my perks while all new hires from that point got screwed over, I'd feel lucky or privileged too and might feel a sense of loyalty to that company since they let me keep my status. So for old timers at FedEx Express, FDX is a terrific company to work for. For everyone else, not so much. It would be like UPS having 2 driver groups. One group that makes $35/hr while the other group makes $14/hr. You'd scratch your head wondering what went wrong for the second group. Well that's the business model FDX has implemented for themselves.

I was about $6hr less than top out when I quit a couple months shy of 15 years. It wasn't 20 years to top out. The pay plan they implemented right before I quit was 7 years to top out AFTER you reached your pay range midpoint. Which took 20+ years to reach. So it was all smoke and mirrors and only a slight improvement over working forever without catching top out. The plan they have now is fair for new hires. I don't think it's fair that those who've already worked a number of years take as long as those hired right off the street but with FedEx you take what you can get. UPS is claiming with so many upcoming driver retirements that they can get new hires into full-time driver status in a year. At least in this area. But after watching their $35hr drivers bitch all day long I think I can honestly say you may miss driving longer distances for FedEx, even for less pay and you have to work a sort.

 

[fedx]

I was about $6hr less than top out when I quit a couple months shy of 15 years. It wasn't 20 years to top out. The pay plan they implemented right before I quit was 7 years to top out AFTER you reached your pay range midpoint. Which took 20+ years to reach. So it was all smoke and mirrors and only a slight improvement over working forever without catching top out. The plan they have now is fair for new hires. I don't think it's fair that those who've already worked a number of years take as long as those hired right off the street but with FedEx you take what you can get. UPS is claiming with so many upcoming driver retirements that they can get new hires into full-time driver status in a year. At least in this area. But after watching their $35hr drivers bitch all day long I think I can honestly say you may miss driving longer distances for FedEx, even for less pay and you have to work a sort.

FedEx's 10 step plan forgot about the current employees who have been there 10, 12, 15 years. They will still be 20 years to top out. Instead of saying "if you've been here 10 or more years, you'll be automatically topped out", they said "if you've been here 15 years, you'll be topped out in just 5 more. If you've been here 10 years, you'll be topped out in just 10 more." So those employees got nothing out of the new plan. I know people who have been there 12 years and were put on step 2. I don't think the new plan is that fair for either new hires or older time employees. Sure it's better than the old system, but it's still a turd. And it's not called the "10 year plan" it's the 10 step plan. It still could take more than 10 years. They could say "we had a bad year, so there won't be any step progression this year."