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wkmac

Well-Known Member
Fentanyl? Tax subsidized American corporations do more harm.

With the emphasis on tax subsidized, Preach On!

It is amazing that fentanyl is class 2, so is methamphetamine and yet cannabis is schedule 1. Who really is running drug policy at the top?
 

MAKAVELI

Well-Known Member
Drugs are a part of why we need a wall. Guess you want them to keep flowing.
When will people like you realize a wall will not stop or even slow the flow ow of drugs?
Drug Trafficking – How Drugs Get Here

As it happens, the oldest drug trafficking method is still the most popular. Overland smuggling in cars and trucks exceeds all other methods of drug trafficking combined. According to the Department of Justice’s 2009 drug seizure analysis, over 97 percent of all drugs captured in transit were found in cars and trucks. Now, this data should be taken with a grain of salt: the seizures represent only the amount that law enforcement intercepted – it’s not a representative sample. Further, it is somewhat unclear at what point the drugs were seized – it’s virtually inevitable that all packaged drugs will be transported by a vehicle at some point, even if they arrived in the U.S. by air, sea or on foot. Still, seizures at land borders still eclipse drugs seized at other points of entry.

While most drugs are smuggled into the U.S. in trucks from Mexico, oversees shipping represents a proportion of the total drugs trafficked into the country. According to the Department of Justice, these goods arrive in small self-submersible vehicles (mini-submarines) or large container ships, concealed in rarely-checked bins among legitimate cargo. Smaller amounts are sometimes transported on fishing or recreational boats or stowed away by passengers or crew on cruise ships. According to a report released by the Woodrow Wilson Center, Mexican President Felipe Calderon’s tough anti-trafficking tactics forced some Mexican drug trafficking organization to move their operations to the Caribbean and transport their product by sea.

The final major means of transporting drugs into the U.S. is by air. Air smuggling has declined since 9/11, most likely because of significant practical challenges. Relative to other forms of transportation, non-commercial planes are few, increasing scrutiny on suspicious planes bound from out of the country. Cargo stowed aboard planes is also in a smaller pool, and easier to inspect than cans aboard container ships.

Drug traffickers have explored countless ways to exploit geographic loopholes in the U.S. border protection, smuggling drugs through creative locations and means. But the vast majority of smuggling is funneled through just a handful of cities and areas. The federal government classifies these as High Intensity Drug Trafficking Areas (HIDTAs), which represent counties with 60 percent of the U.S. population. According to the Department of Justice report, 88 percent of all drug seizures occurred at just 20 points of entry.

As long as the U.S. demand for legal drugs holds firm, drug trafficking organizations will continue to find new ways to get drugs into the country. Of course, it’s once they’re inside the U.S. that many traffickers get really creative.
 

newfie

Well-Known Member
I think a moat filled with alligators, and pirannas would work better

that indirectly leads to one of the arguments made by proponents of illegal immigration who argue that we should be sympathetic to the illegals because some are dying while illegally sneaking across the border.
 

vantexan

Well-Known Member
When will people like you realize a wall will not stop or even slow the flow ow of drugs?
Drug Trafficking – How Drugs Get Here

As it happens, the oldest drug trafficking method is still the most popular. Overland smuggling in cars and trucks exceeds all other methods of drug trafficking combined. According to the Department of Justice’s 2009 drug seizure analysis, over 97 percent of all drugs captured in transit were found in cars and trucks. Now, this data should be taken with a grain of salt: the seizures represent only the amount that law enforcement intercepted – it’s not a representative sample. Further, it is somewhat unclear at what point the drugs were seized – it’s virtually inevitable that all packaged drugs will be transported by a vehicle at some point, even if they arrived in the U.S. by air, sea or on foot. Still, seizures at land borders still eclipse drugs seized at other points of entry.

While most drugs are smuggled into the U.S. in trucks from Mexico, oversees shipping represents a proportion of the total drugs trafficked into the country. According to the Department of Justice, these goods arrive in small self-submersible vehicles (mini-submarines) or large container ships, concealed in rarely-checked bins among legitimate cargo. Smaller amounts are sometimes transported on fishing or recreational boats or stowed away by passengers or crew on cruise ships. According to a report released by the Woodrow Wilson Center, Mexican President Felipe Calderon’s tough anti-trafficking tactics forced some Mexican drug trafficking organization to move their operations to the Caribbean and transport their product by sea.

The final major means of transporting drugs into the U.S. is by air. Air smuggling has declined since 9/11, most likely because of significant practical challenges. Relative to other forms of transportation, non-commercial planes are few, increasing scrutiny on suspicious planes bound from out of the country. Cargo stowed aboard planes is also in a smaller pool, and easier to inspect than cans aboard container ships.

Drug traffickers have explored countless ways to exploit geographic loopholes in the U.S. border protection, smuggling drugs through creative locations and means. But the vast majority of smuggling is funneled through just a handful of cities and areas. The federal government classifies these as High Intensity Drug Trafficking Areas (HIDTAs), which represent counties with 60 percent of the U.S. population. According to the Department of Justice report, 88 percent of all drug seizures occurred at just 20 points of entry.

As long as the U.S. demand for legal drugs holds firm, drug trafficking organizations will continue to find new ways to get drugs into the country. Of course, it’s once they’re inside the U.S. that many traffickers get really creative.
We're having a crisis right now with opiates, heroin. People are dying. Doesn't matter that drugs get in anyways. We should do everything within our means to stop it. And that's just part of what the wall is for. You're also from the same crowd that says jobs aren't coming back, etc. We should do everything we can to provide jobs, including stopping the flow of people who are taking jobs. America, like much of the world, has always had a problem with alcohol. But the country took a dark turn in the 60's with the widespread introduction of hard drugs. We need to fight our way back to some semblance of sanity, not give in "because people like to party." Amazing to me that mature adults can't see that.
 

newfie

Well-Known Member
We're having a crisis right now with opiates, heroin. People are dying. Doesn't matter that drugs get in anyways. We should do everything within our means to stop it. And that's just part of what the wall is for. You're also from the same crowd that says jobs aren't coming back, etc. We should do everything we can to provide jobs, including stopping the flow of people who are taking jobs. America, like much of the world, has always had a problem with alcohol. But the country took a dark turn in the 60's with the widespread introduction of hard drugs. We need to fight our way back to some semblance of sanity, not give in "because people like to party." Amazing to me that mature adults can't see that.

one other aspect that never seems to make it into the immigration argument is the need for controlled immigration to ensure the country has the necessary infrastructure to support the increasing population
 

DriveInDriveOut

Inordinately Right
We're having a crisis right now with opiates, heroin. People are dying. Doesn't matter that drugs get in anyways. We should do everything within our means to stop it.
We have limited resources to fight that battle. There are better ways to combat drug addiction than wasting money on prohibition that has been proven over a long period of time to flat out not work.
You're also from the same crowd that says jobs aren't coming back, etc.
Most of those jobs aren't coming back, because they have no place in a country like this. Good Riddance. We will never be able to compete with Vietnam or Bangladesh or India when it comes to the cost of that type of labor.
We need to fight our way back to some semblance of sanity, not give in "because people like to party." Amazing to me that mature adults can't see that.
Amazing to me that some "mature adults" think the government has the right to tell grown men and women what they can do with their own bodies. Talk about a complete disregard for the notion of liberty and freedom.
 

vantexan

Well-Known Member
We have limited resources to fight that battle. There are better ways to combat drug addiction than wasting money on prohibition that has been proven over a long period of time to flat out not work.

Most of those jobs aren't coming back, because they have no place in a country like this. Good Riddance. We will never be able to compete with Vietnam or Bangladesh or India when it comes to the cost of that type of labor.

Amazing to me that some "mature adults" think the government has the right to tell grown men and women what they can do with their own bodies. Talk about a complete disregard for the notion of liberty and freedom.
Anyone who defends drug use, well, enough said.
 

Jkloc420

Do you need an air compressor or tire gauge
So what are the reasons you wouldn't want to build the wall. Considering all the waste and fraud in the government involving money. Which isn't the issue
 

newfie

Well-Known Member
So what are the reasons you wouldn't want to build the wall. Considering all the waste and fraud in the government involving money. Which isn't the issue

the real reason all liberals oppose the wall is the denial of future democratic voters.
 

DriveInDriveOut

Inordinately Right
I don't see any reason to not build it

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