Can you actually be forced to wear a mask in the building indefinitely?

[Mattmac0912]

The communist union was at our building today so there was a real crackdown on masks I didn't bother asking them what the hell we pay them for to sell out our civil liberties and informed consent

 

[Mattmac0912]

Your original post was asking very pointed questions that seemed to be a result of my post, if not, then I assumed incorrectly. I don't see where I was personally attacking you, maybe attacking your arguments, not you.

To get real honest, I am in such a low risk category, like everything about me matches the type of person who is not likely to get a symptomatic infection, or a very mild one. There is a chance I may have already had it, and that was before testing. No one close to me is in a high risk category. If the vaccine is really all it's cracked up to be, it really ought to go to people who need it more than I do.

My main issue is, and always has been, the attitude that everyone should just get the vaccine and stop arguing about it. That sort of thinking is antithetical to everything I believe. If the people who are at high risk, or are concerned about the virus, get the vaccine, there really shouldn't be any reason to be concerned about people who don't. Assuming the vaccine works, if it doesn't the whole argument is moot.

It's very simple. The communist Chinese masters that are in charge of this domination only care about what they can bully you into doing. They have no intention in living by the mandates they have in mind for us plebes. That's why they've all been caught not wearing their masks. They don't believe it any more than you do. They probably won't take these vaccines or they'll take a placebo then lie and say they did. This includes the American media

 

[zubenelgenubi]

It's very simple. The communist Chinese masters that are in charge of this domination only care about what they can bully you into doing. They have no intention in living by the mandates they have in mind for us plebes. That's why they've all been caught not wearing their masks. They don't believe it any more than you do. They probably won't take these vaccines or they'll take a placebo then lie and say they did. This includes the American media

Unfortunately, many of my countrymen have been persuaded otherwise, time to just sit back, eat popcorn, and watch the show.

 

[Mattmac0912]

Unfortunately, many of my countrymen have been persuaded otherwise, time to just sit back, eat popcorn, and watch the show.

When the vaccine isn't the ticket to freedom they've been promised what do you think happens then

 

[zubenelgenubi]

When the vaccine isn't the ticket to freedom they've been promised what do you think happens then

Probably not much. People will stop complying, others will turn informant on their fellow citizens, as they already have. Violence may break out, if it does, they'll find a way to blame Trump.

 

[Mattmac0912]

Probably not much. People will stop complying, others will turn informant on their fellow citizens, as they already have. Violence may break out, if it does, they'll find a way to blame Trump.

At this point violence is the only hope to avoid being enslaved by our government so I'd kind of welcome that option

 

[zubenelgenubi]

At this point violence is the only hope to avoid being enslaved by our government so I'd kind of welcome that option

I don't think anyone really wants that. If you're willing to be violent, you ought to be willing to set an example and just stop complying. There is plenty of evidence out there that people are willing to support people who stand up against the system.

There was a pastor in Canada who was ticketed for holding larger services than the government said was ok. In order to not pay the tickets and fight them in court he had to sign a bail agreement saying he would comply with the orders, he didn't sign, they set the court date, and he continued holding services. They threw him in jail for violating the bail agreement, which he never signed. Once word got out, an associate pastor started holding the services, and tons more people showed up to the church in support. They finally freed the pastor.

There's also a restaurant owner, I believe in Michigan, who refused to comply, she was thrown in jail for operating without a license after her licensed was yanked. Her staff are still operating, and they have more customers than they can handle.

The left create this false narrative that everyone believes whatever it is they want to make everyone believe. A lot of people fall for it, and fall in line. But the more the narrative is challenged publicly, the more people realize that only a small few extremists and a handful of sheep believe the narrative. That creates political pressure, which helps keep the politicians in line. The more people who step up to challenge, the faster the tide turns.

 

[Mattmac0912]

I don't think anyone really wants that. If you're willing to be violent, you ought to be willing to set an example and just stop complying. There is plenty of evidence out there that people are willing to support people who stand up against the system.

There was a pastor in Canada who was ticketed for holding larger services than the government said was ok. In order to not pay the tickets and fight them in court he had to sign a bail agreement saying he would comply with the orders, he didn't sign, they set the court date, and he continued holding services. They threw him in jail for violating the bail agreement, which he never signed. Once word got out, an associate pastor started holding the services, and tons more people showed up to the church in support. They finally freed the pastor.

There's also a restaurant owner, I believe in Michigan, who refused to comply, she was thrown in jail for operating without a license after her licensed was yanked. Her staff are still operating, and they have more customers than they can handle.

The left create this false narrative that everyone believes whatever it is they want to make everyone believe. A lot of people fall for it, and fall in line. But the more the narrative is challenged publicly, the more people realize that only a small few extremists and a handful of sheep believe the narrative. That creates political pressure, which helps keep the politicians in line. The more people who step up to challenge, the faster the tide turns.

It's worth noting that me and everyone else I work with in the building already had covid mid January and recovered no issues. I can't just outright not comply ive already lost one job over this and they've threatened that I could be escorted out of the building at ups if I won't wear my face diaper "correctly "

 

[zubenelgenubi]

It's worth noting that me and everyone else I work with in the building already had covid mid January and recovered no issues. I can't just outright not comply ive already lost one job over this and they've threatened that I could be escorted out of the building at ups if I won't wear my face diaper "correctly "

So you can't afford to lose a job, but you can afford to fight a civil war? Violence needs to be the last tool to come out of the box. I have drawn my line in the sand, I am willing to risk losing my job to avoid being pushed over the line. And, if that happened, you better bet I would be spreading the word to anyone who will listen.

 

[Mattmac0912]

Well the above isn't entirely true. I could refuse and sue them but what a can of worms would need to find legal representation etc not easy in a dark blue state

 

[zubenelgenubi]

Well the above isn't entirely true. I could refuse and sue them but what a can of worms would need to find legal representation etc not easy in a dark blue state

There are lawyers out there. All the need to do is be allowed to practice in the state where the law suit is filed, which could be Georgia, since that's where ups is hq'd.

 

[Mattmac0912]

There are lawyers out there. All the need to do is be allowed to practice in the state where the law suit is filed, which could be Georgia, since that's where ups is hq'd.

Most people still seem to think this loss of our personal freedoms is temporary and it's not it's intended to be for life

 

[Mattmac0912]

I'm more worried about ups making vaccines mandatory. The CDC said employers are able to. I don't want the vaccine I had covid19.

The mask was only a placeholder for the vaccines to condition you into compliance. I have zero doubt that they will be trying to mandate vaccines

 

[zubenelgenubi]

The mask was only a placeholder for the vaccines to condition you into compliance. I have zero doubt that they will be trying to mandate vaccines

The thing you need to realize is that it didn't take much. Many people have been operating on fight or flight for a year now. They will listen to anything an authority figure tells them to do in order to be safe. Their processing capability is maxed out, they have to outsource their thinking.

 

[brownman2075]

He means that if there were, in fact, a conspiracy, calling it a conspiracy theory doesn't actually change the fact that there is a conspiracy. It's just the latest buzz phrase, which is an ad homin fallacy, among other types of fallacies, to try to dismiss an idea without having to actually think about anything.

Calling something a conspiracy theory suggests that the theorist is implying that something unlawful is going on. But in reality, this sort of thing is usually a result of very real psychological phenomena such as group think. People may actually believe they are doing the right thing, or believe that their authority figures actually know what they are talking about, but that's not necessarily the case. As systems become more complex, the chances for anyone being competent at making decisions within that system go down. This is why individual liberty and freedom are the only way to go. People have to be free to make their own decisions, and free to face the natural consequences of those decisions.

I realize most people reading this will not fully grasp all of the concepts I bring up. That's ok. Just understand that an authority figure isn't necessarily correct, I mean, Trump is president, right? A group of authority figures agreeing on something doesn't make them right.

I understand perfectly what you are saying. This country was founded as constitutional republic that was meant protect individuals rights and freedoms, not a democracy where the fearful majority get to trample on the rights of the minority. Democracy is indispensable to communism. Super racist Karl Marx, father of communism, said that.

 

[brownman2075]

He means that if there were, in fact, a conspiracy, calling it a conspiracy theory doesn't actually change the fact that there is a conspiracy. It's just the latest buzz phrase, which is an ad homin fallacy, among other types of fallacies, to try to dismiss an idea without having to actually think about anything.

Calling something a conspiracy theory suggests that the theorist is implying that something unlawful is going on. But in reality, this sort of thing is usually a result of very real psychological phenomena such as group think. People may actually believe they are doing the right thing, or believe that their authority figures actually know what they are talking about, but that's not necessarily the case. As systems become more complex, the chances for anyone being competent at making decisions within that system go down. This is why individual liberty and freedom are the only way to go. People have to be free to make their own decisions, and free to face the natural consequences of those decisions.

I realize most people reading this will not fully grasp all of the concepts I bring up. That's ok. Just understand that an authority figure isn't necessarily correct, I mean, Trump is president, right? A group of authority figures agreeing on something doesn't make them right.

I understand perfectly what you are saying. This country was founded as constitutional republic that was meant protect individuals rights and freedoms, not a democracy where the fearful majority get to trample on the rights of the minority. Democracy is indispensable to communism. Super racist Karl Marx, father of communism, said that.

 

[brownman2075]

 

[brownman2075]

This is a correction to my previous post. Lenin said democracy is indispensable to socialism. Socialism eventually turns into communism. Karl Marx said peace is the absence of all opposition to socialism.

 

[Jetboat1]

The next $1400 stimulus check is only for those who can show proof of vaccination. Your choice. I'll believe all the right to choose BS when you pass on the cash!

 

[zubenelgenubi]

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Ha! Whoever came up with this one entirely misses the point. Imagine the government taking away your freedoms simply because this bowl of jelly beans exists, and you have a less than 1 in 10 chance of even encountering someone offering you a jelly bean over the course of the year.

Now imagine certain governors intentionally sending people with bowls of jelly beans to nursing homes, where the stats listed in that meme are actually somewhat accurate. These are the same people who think they know better how we should live our lives.

No one wants to get sick, they just don't need government intervention under circumstances where any one person's risk is so phenomenally low.